Simple question on minimising the trial wavefunction

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the optimal value of the lowest energy, E_T, using two variational parameters a and b. The equations for this calculation are given and it is found that the optimal values are a = -1/4 and b = 0. It is then mentioned that the second derivative is taken to find the inflection point, but the purpose and significance of this step is not fully understood. The conversation concludes with a question about how to handle a more complicated equation with three variables.
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Homework Statement


After a calculation of the lowest energy using two variational parameters a and b it is found that: [tex]E_{T}(a,b) = 2a^{2} + 16b^{2}+a[/tex]
What is the optimal (minimum) value of [tex]E_{T}[/tex]

Homework Equations


It's just derivation.

The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]\frac{\delta E_{T}}{\delta a} = 4a + 1 = 0[/tex]

therefore a= -1/4

[tex]\frac{\delta E_{T}}{\delta b} = 32b = 0[/tex]

therefore b=0

when the values are put into ET I get zero?

[tex]E_{T}(a',b') = 2 (-\frac{1}{4})^{2} - \frac{1}{4} = 0[/tex]

why would it be zero?

also were were told to take the second derivative to find the inflection? why would we do this? what does it tell us?

Thanks in advance for any help
 
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It is not zero. You did a computational error:

2(1/4)^2 -1/4 = 2/16 - 1/4 = 1/8 -2/8 = -1/8
 
  • #3
Orodruin said:
It is not zero. You did a computational error:

2(1/4)^2 -1/4 = 2/16 - 1/4 = 1/8 -2/8 = -1/8

hm that would explain it, many thanks for pointing this out, appreciated!

Any idea as to why the second derivative is taken and what it would tell us about the system?

Thanks for the reply!
 
  • #4
i'm probably being really stupid here but what would I do with something like:

ET (a,b,c) = (a+b)2 - ab + c4

which gives:

dE/da = 2a + b = 0
dE/db = 2b + a = 0

i can see it has solutions but what values should I use?
 
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I would like to clarify a few things about the content provided. Firstly, it is important to note that the provided function E_{T}(a,b) is not a trial wavefunction, but rather an expression for the total energy of a system with two variational parameters a and b.

In order to minimize E_{T}, we can use the method of taking the derivative with respect to each parameter and setting it equal to zero. This will give us the optimal values for a and b that minimize E_{T}. However, it is important to note that this method only gives us a local minimum, and there may be other values of a and b that result in a lower total energy. Therefore, it is important to also consider the physical meaning of the parameters and the system being studied in order to determine if the obtained values are truly optimal.

Regarding the question about why E_{T} would be zero when the obtained values for a and b are plugged in, it is likely due to a mistake in the calculation. When a=-1/4 and b=0 are substituted into the original expression for E_{T}, the result is E_{T} = -1/4, not zero.

Finally, the reason for taking the second derivative to find the inflection point is to determine whether the obtained values for a and b correspond to a minimum or a maximum. A positive second derivative indicates a minimum, while a negative second derivative indicates a maximum. This information can help in determining the reliability of the obtained values and whether further optimization is necessary.
 

Related to Simple question on minimising the trial wavefunction

1. What is a trial wavefunction?

A trial wavefunction is a mathematical function that represents the possible states of a quantum system. It is used in quantum mechanics to describe the behavior and properties of particles, such as electrons, in a system.

2. Why is it important to minimize the trial wavefunction?

Minimizing the trial wavefunction is important because it allows us to find the most accurate representation of the quantum system. This can help us make more accurate predictions about the behavior and properties of the particles in the system.

3. How is the trial wavefunction minimized?

The trial wavefunction is minimized by adjusting the parameters or coefficients of the function using mathematical techniques such as variational methods or optimization algorithms. The goal is to find the set of parameters that results in the lowest energy for the system.

4. What is the relationship between the trial wavefunction and the actual wavefunction of a system?

The trial wavefunction is an approximation of the actual wavefunction of a system. As the trial wavefunction is minimized, it becomes closer to the actual wavefunction, providing a better representation of the quantum system.

5. Can the trial wavefunction be used for any quantum system?

Yes, the trial wavefunction can be used for any quantum system, as long as the appropriate mathematical techniques are used to minimize it. However, the accuracy and complexity of the trial wavefunction may vary depending on the system being studied.

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