Reversing the order of summation

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In summary, the conversation discusses whether the order of summation matters. It is stated that the order does not matter if the summation is finite or all terms are of the same sign. However, for infinite summations that do not converge absolutely, the order can affect the result and there is a theorem that supports this.
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Is ∑f from a to b the same as ∑f from b to a?
In other words, does the order of summation matter?
 
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No, since a+b = b+a
 
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BvU said:
No, since a+b = b+a
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I'll add that, if there is only a finite number of terms, or if all but finitely many nonzero terms are of the same sign, then any order of summation gives the same result.

But (and I hope this is not too much information):
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For any convergent infinite summation

cj = K​

that does not converge absolutely:

|cj| = ∞,

then there is an surprising theorem that suggests how important it is to be cautious:

Theorem: For such a summation as cj, and any real number L, there is some rearrangement ∑' of the order of summation such that

∑' cj = L.
 
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zinq said:
I'll add that, if there is only a finite number of terms, or if all but finitely many nonzero terms are of the same sign, then any order of summation gives the same result.

But (and I hope this is not too much information):
-----------------------------------------------------------

For any convergent infinite summation

cj = K​

that does not converge absolutely:

|cj| = ∞,

then there is an surprising theorem that suggests how important it is to be cautious:

Theorem: For such a summation as cj, and any real number L, there is some rearrangement ∑' of the order of summation such that

∑' cj = L.
Thank you.
 
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henry wang said:
Thank you.

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zinq said:
if there is only a finite number of terms
In post #1 there is.
 

Related to Reversing the order of summation

What is meant by "Reversing the order of summation"?

Reversing the order of summation refers to changing the order in which mathematical operations are performed in a series. In summation, this means changing the order in which terms are added together.

Why would someone want to reverse the order of summation?

Reversing the order of summation can be useful for simplifying complicated series or for solving problems that cannot be solved using the original order. It can also help to identify patterns or relationships between terms.

What are the steps to reverse the order of summation?

The steps to reverse the order of summation involve changing the index of summation, or the variable used to represent the terms in the series. This can be done by replacing the original index with a new variable and then solving for the original index in terms of the new variable.

Is it always possible to reverse the order of summation?

No, it is not always possible to reverse the order of summation. This depends on the specific series and the relationship between its terms. In some cases, reversing the order may not lead to a simpler or solvable solution.

What are some real-world applications of reversing the order of summation?

Reversing the order of summation can be applied in various fields of science and engineering, such as physics, mathematics, and computer science. It can be used to solve problems involving sequences, series, and probabilities, and to analyze data in a different way. It can also be used in optimization and algorithm design.

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