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Lifegazer
What battlefield? Sat behind your computer 10,000 miles from Iraq?Originally posted by Alias
If you change your mind, I'll see you on the battlefield. Don't forget to bring your balls.
What battlefield? Sat behind your computer 10,000 miles from Iraq?Originally posted by Alias
If you change your mind, I'll see you on the battlefield. Don't forget to bring your balls.
N_Quire ,Originally posted by N_Quire
Zargawee,
Perhaps more time should have been given to Saddam to disarm. Then, we might have had France and Germany with us. However, the probability was too great that Saddam would abuse that extra time by engaging in even more trickery.
The American troops are not conscripts, they chose to join the armed forces. Some might have done so because they could not get other work but the fact remains, they are in the military by choice. Part of being in the armed forces can involve being sent to war: this is understood by those that join.
Let us hope that this war will be brief. By my guess, more than 90 percent of the Iraqi people hate Saddam Hussein and the allied forces will soon be seen as liberators, just as they were in Kuwait.
How in the world can you make a statement like this? Zarg, I'm beginning to think your anti-american.But 100% Of Iraqi Poeple Hate America ...
Originally posted by Greg Bernhardt
How in the world can you make a statement like this? Zarg, I'm beginning to think your anti-american.
When we finish liberating Iraqi and the people end up being grateful, you better apologize in this topic. There are tons of reports that the afgans treat our troops over there like rock stars. Sure there will be some that still hate our guts, but once the Iraqi people taste freedom there is no going back. Are you against freedom Zarg?
So "I pledge alegience to the flag... of the UN?" No, sorry it doesn't work that way. You may WANT it to work that way, but wishing things to be so has never made them so. The UN has prove on countless occasions that it is IMPOTENT to deal with real problems. Thats why we circumvented the UN when we liberated Yugoslavia. In fact, the UN only exists because of the US. *WE* are in charge. Like it or not. The fact that we created the UN and allow it to oppose us is a demonstration of our excessive benevolence.I didn't ask for UN to take the action , only take the decision !
UN represents the world, if UN is not with you, then the world is not with you, and you don't have the right to do something in the globe without the permission of the world.
So lay out a full cause and effect scenario of going to war and not going to war. Add up the body counts and the other positives and negatives and see what you get. People who make this case base their opinion on rediculous assumptions of the severity of the war.Yes, Iraq has not disarmed like it was supposed to. But we have to think about the consequences of war. Why not have armed escorts for pumped-up inspections instead? It seems that people have in their heads "war against sadam", but there is more at stake than just hussein's hide.
There is always time. The question is how much time are you willing to waste on failure? I guess Bush decided 12 years was enough failure.Whether Saddam has WMD's Or Not , There Was Still Time To Search For Them ...
Clearly you have forgotten why we went to Afghanistan. If there is a better reason for war, I haven't heard it. And it CANNOT be argued that the end result of that conflict was negative. We took down a regime that was almost unanamously considered to be just a bunch of criminals (ironically not unlike Iraq).But your president is a person who looks for war when it can be started , he fought with afghanistan
Heh. We'll see. In two days when the Marine Corps gets to Bagdhad, people will be dancing in the streets (just like in Afghanistan) and trading their children for American flags.But 100% Of Iraqi Poeple Hate America ...
Originally posted by Lifegazer
What battlefield? Sat behind your computer 10,000 miles from Iraq?
No squire. I was laughing at the battlecry of a soldier stationed in Texas. I was also mocking your "let's kick their butt" attitude.Originally posted by Alias
Is that all you've got? I completely trashed your argument, yet, instead of conceeding defeat like any decent scientist, your position struggles from beyond the grave with some pathetic attempt at retaliation much like a child that can't think of anything to say except, "Well, you're a big dummie!" Loose like a man. Good greif!
Originally posted by Lifegazer
No squire. I was laughing at the battlecry of a soldier stationed in Texas. I was also mocking your "let's kick their butt" attitude.
I didn't respond further because I understand your mindset, and realize that I'd be wasting my time. Forget it.
Originally posted by Greg Bernhardt
Sure, but not Chemical/Bio SCUDS. My point is that they lied about having SCUDS and now they use them against us.
Originally posted by russ_watters
Yes, Iraq has not disarmed like it was supposed to. But we have to think about the consequences of war. Why not have armed escorts for pumped-up inspections instead? It seems that people have in their heads "war against sadam", but there is more at stake than just hussein's hide.
So lay out a full cause and effect scenario of going to war and not going to war. Add up the body counts and the other positives and negatives and see what you get. People who make this case base their opinion on rediculous assumptions of the severity of the war.
Originally posted by Alias
And all this crap about how we should have given the inspectors more time is a cowards way out and not an effective means by which to solve the problem. The UN is a paper tiger and doesn't have the balls to enforce its mandates. It's much like you in that it believes that the way to deal with dictators and terrorists is negotiation.
The wildabeast will loose its life everytime it tries to "negotiate" with the lion.
When you realize that many people are irrational, and that your idea of a socialist utopia will never work, then you can join the rest of the real world and help make it a better place.
Don't misunderstand, youthful idealism is a wonderful thing, unfortunately it seems many people have to be slapped in the face by the harsh realities of the imperfect world we live in, before they take a more practical approach. Hopefully, your face will be slapped by logical prose and not VX gas. I'm doing everything I can to see that your slap comes from the former, and not the latter.
Originally posted by kyleb
well i imagine that he would do so if he felt you would give his efforts respect.
What? How can you expect to use the deaths of civilians as a reason not to go to war when you won't even speculate on how many are going to die? 'Too many' is not an answer. Clearly no one can give EXACT body counts, but you must have an order of magnitude type of idea here, don't you? 100? 1,000? 10,000? Unless you can speculate on that and then decide how many is too many, you can't have a reasoned opinion - you haven't done the reasoning.I briefly explained my ideas in another thread. I don't know how you can possibly expect me to lay out exact body counts.
• Villagers in Safwan in southern Iraq were seen shaking hands Friday with coalition soldiers and saying "thank you." A coalition soldier tore down a picture of Saddam Hussein, and one villager pounded it with his shoe.
Originally posted by Laser Eyes
For those of you who have no problem with this war I would like to put a new born Iraqi baby in your left hand a pistol in your other hand and let you fire the first shot by blowing the baby's brains out. Children will die in this war people, nothing is more certain. Or is it you only want to go to war if someone else does your killing for you?
Laser Eyes
Originally posted by kat
For those of you who are so blind I would like to allow you to become a volunteer conscript for Saddam's army and perhaps you can stand next to his son the next time he goes down the street beheading women in front of their homes and assist him by being the one to hang them on a stick for their children and parents to see?
Or perhaps you would next like to be the one in charge of dragging 3,000 political prisoners out to "the garden" and mowing them down with your little machine gun?
yes, yes, entire families, children, women and men are dying and being tortured daily under Saddams brutal regime, nothing is more certian, Or is it you only are interested in your anger at the big bad Americans?
Originally posted by Njorl
Mr. Parsons,
Are you aware that Baghdad is generally on TV? No saturation bombing is happening. This is just another example of your delusional, dishonest, ardently anti-American, hysterical ranting.
Njorl
Originally posted by Njorl
Mr. Parsons,
Are you aware that Baghdad is generally on TV? No saturation bombing is happening. This is just another example of your delusional, dishonest, ardently anti-American, hysterical ranting.
Njorl
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Norjl, I live in an emergency shelters, (Because the tent I normally live in is flooded in the spring melting) I am a homeless person, I have no TV, but I do still get to hear some of the news, and the last I had heard is that Geo-Orge is calling in the B 52's.
Tell me, oh one of dubious insult, what do you think that they are used for??
The only difference between "Shooting fish in a barrel", and what Geo-Ogre is about to do, is, well NOTHING, 'cept this time it is innocent men women and children, in 'the barrel'!
"Dozens of missiles and bombs rained down between nine and 10pm. A final wave of attacks by low flying jet fighters at 10.30pm was the ultimate proof of how defenceless Baghdad really is."
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
missed it big time Norjl, try this one...
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6174050%255E25777,00.html
Do other cultures not have the right to self-determination. And how do you deal with the idea that a free, democratic world might tell America to take a hike and keep to its own borders?Originally posted by Alias
Inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are the content of America's "cultural imperialism". What a horror to beset on the world? Good grief!
No country EVER given the gift of self-determination has EVER chosen tyranny over the principles Alias outlined. EVERY country we have set up a government in has CHOSEN these principles through self-determination.Do other cultures not have the right to self-determination. And how do you deal with the idea that a free, democratic world might tell America to take a hike and keep to its own borders?