Relativity - Sphere flattening due to relativistic speed

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of sphere flattening due to relativistic speed, using the example of gum balls and smarties. It then presents four questions, with the first two involving the calculation of the speed at which a gum ball would be mistaken for a smartie and which smartie would appear to be a different color when moving towards an observer. The last two questions involve the conversion of mass into energy and the calculation of the final velocity of the smartie. The conversation also includes some confusion and doubts about the solutions to the questions.
  • #1
Jon.G
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Relativity -- Sphere flattening due to relativistic speed

Homework Statement



Gum balls are spherical, and about 1.5 cm in diameter. Smarties are circular in one cross
section, with the same diameter, but perpendicular to this circular cross section, they
are flattened, with the smallest diameter being half the largest diameter. The mass of a
smartie is 15 g.

a) How fast does a gum ball have to be moving with respect to an observer for this
observer to mistake it for a smartie? Give your answer as a fraction of the speed of
light.

(b) Purple and red smarties reflect incident sunlight predominantly at wavelengths of
380 nm and 750 nm respectively. If one colour of smartie is moving towards you,
it can look like the other colour when it is stationary. Which smartie has to be
moving, and at what fraction of the speed of light does it have to travel?

(c) If it were possible to convert [itex] 10^{-6} [/itex] of the mass of the smartie into energy, for how long coul the released energy power a 100MW power station?

(d)If the energy released as described in part 2(c) was converted instead into kinetic
energy of the smartie, by how much would the smartie final velocity differ from
that of light? Give your answer in m/s

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


(a) - Erm... :cry:
(b) - Not much better. I know that it is the red smartie that must be moving towards us.
I know for non-relativistic doppler shift [itex] \frac{\Delta\lambda}{\lambda_{emitted}}=\frac{v}{c} [/itex]
and for relativistic doppler shift I know [itex]\frac{\lambda_{observed}}{\lambda_{emited}}=\sqrt{\frac{1+\beta}{1-\beta}} where \beta=\frac{v}{c} [/itex]
Do I simply rearrange this formula? Doing this I got [itex] v=\frac{59}{100}c[/itex]
(c)
[itex] m=0.015*10^{-6}[/itex]
[itex] E=mc^{2}; c=3*10^{8} [/itex]
[itex] so E=1350MJ [/itex]
[itex] Power = \frac{Energy}{time} ; so time=\frac{Energy}{Power}[/itex]
[itex] time = 13.5 seconds [/itex]
I'm not too confident with this, it seems a bit too simple :/ , however it is only 2 marks

(d)Again, I think it would be far too simple to use [itex] E=\frac{1}{2}mv^{2} [/itex] with E=1350 MJ

Thanks
 
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  • #2
Jon.G said:

Homework Statement



Gum balls are spherical, and about 1.5 cm in diameter. Smarties are circular in one cross
section, with the same diameter, but perpendicular to this circular cross section, they
are flattened, with the smallest diameter being half the largest diameter. The mass of a
smartie is 15 g.

a) How fast does a gum ball have to be moving with respect to an observer for this
observer to mistake it for a smartie? Give your answer as a fraction of the speed of
light.

(b) Purple and red smarties reflect incident sunlight predominantly at wavelengths of
380 nm and 750 nm respectively. If one colour of smartie is moving towards you,
it can look like the other colour when it is stationary. Which smartie has to be
moving, and at what fraction of the speed of light does it have to travel?

(c) If it were possible to convert [itex] 10^{-6} [/itex] of the mass of the smartie into energy, for how long coul the released energy power a 100MW power station?

(d)If the energy released as described in part 2(c) was converted instead into kinetic
energy of the smartie, by how much would the smartie final velocity differ from
that of light? Give your answer in m/s

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


(a) - Erm... :cry:
The difference between the two is the shape, right? So why does the gum ball change shape when it moves relativistically?

(b) - Not much better. I know that it is the red smartie that must be moving towards us.
I know for non-relativistic doppler shift [itex] \frac{\Delta\lambda}{\lambda_{emitted}}=\frac{v}{c} [/itex]
and for relativistic doppler shift I know [itex]\frac{\lambda_{observed}}{\lambda_{emited}}=\sqrt{\frac{1+\beta}{1-\beta}} where \beta=\frac{v}{c} [/itex]
Do I simply rearrange this formula? Doing this I got [itex] v=\frac{59}{100}c[/itex]
Yup. I didn't check your answer, but your method is correct.
(c)
[itex] m=0.015*10^{-6}[/itex]
[itex] E=mc^{2}; c=3*10^{8} [/itex]
[itex] so E=1350MJ [/itex]
[itex] Power = \frac{Energy}{time} ; so time=\frac{Energy}{Power}[/itex]
[itex] time = 13.5 seconds [/itex]
I'm not too confident with this, it seems a bit too simple :/ , however it is only 2 marks
This is correct too.

(d)Again, I think it would be far too simple to use [itex] E=\frac{1}{2}mv^{2} [/itex] with E=1350 MJ

Thanks
Are you justified in using the non-relativistic formula for kinetic energy? If not, you need to use the relativistic formula for kinetic energy. But otherwise, yeah, it is as simple as you're thinking.
 
  • #3
I think I've got it. My biggest problem was being able to picture it. I was thinking about it the wrong way. I imagined it sort of as the gum ball 'stretching' into a smartie, and was confused as I thought it should appear to shrink as it moves faster. As I was a bit frustrated I overlooked the simpler explanation where the 'horizontal diameter' shrinks, but the 'vertical diameter' remains the same. I also remember finding relativity so difficult when I was first introduced, that I always expect my method to be far too simple :/

I can use [itex] L=\frac{L_0}{\gamma}[/itex] with [itex] L=0.0075m; L_{0}=0.015m; \gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}} [/itex]

Solving for v, I get [itex] v=0.866c [/itex]
 
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  • #4
It's
$$\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}$$
 
  • #5
Sorry, that's what I meant :S
 
  • #6
Just one comment on (a), not related to the intended answer here:
You can calculate the length, and the value will get smaller due to length contraction. You cannot see it like that, however, due to the different times light needs to reach you from the front and back. A sphere can appear longer or shorter, depending on its direction (towards you / away from you). At its point of closest approach, it appears just rotated.
 
  • #7
for (d), using non- relativistic formula I got a speed greater than c, so obviously that's wrong.
Using [itex] E_{k}=(\gamma-1)mc^{2} [/itex] and
[itex] \epsilon=\frac{c}{2\gamma}[/itex] where [itex]\epsilon[/itex]=difference in velocities
I get the difference in velocities to be [itex]7.5*10^{-7} ms^{-1}[/itex], the answer sheet, however, simply states [itex](d) 3.0*10^{8} m/s [/itex]
I have also emailed my tutor about this, but he always seems to take a very long time to reply :S
 
  • #8
You must have made a mistake because you should have gotten the correct result using the non-relativistic formula for the kinetic energy. Show us your work.
 
  • #9
Ok I know what I did wrong. Tried to rush it and used the [itex] 10^{-6} [/itex] value for the mass.
So: [itex] E_{k}=\frac{1}{2}mv^{2} [/itex]
[itex] E_{k}=(0.0015*10^{-6})*c^{2}=(1.5*10^{-9})c^{2}=1.35*10^{9}J[/itex]
Solving for v; [itex] v=424264ms^{-1}[/itex]
So the difference in velocities would be 299575735.9; which is [itex]3.0*10^{8}m/s[/itex] to 2 s.f.

How do I know when I need to use relativistic formula for the kinetic energy?
 
  • #10
The low velocity looks realistic.
Jon.G said:
How do I know when I need to use relativistic formula for the kinetic energy?
That depends on the precision you want.
If the calculation gives more than 25% of the speed of light, relativistic corrections are significant, and below 5% they are usually negligible. In between, they could be relevant, but don't have to be.
Those are not fixed numbers - the GPS satellites need relativistic corrections for velocities of ~0.001% the speed of light as they need an extreme precision.
 

Related to Relativity - Sphere flattening due to relativistic speed

1. What is the theory of relativity and how does it relate to sphere flattening?

The theory of relativity, proposed by Albert Einstein, states that the laws of physics are the same for all observers in uniform motion. This means that the perception of space and time can vary depending on an observer's relative speed. In the case of sphere flattening, the faster an object travels, the more it appears flattened due to the distortion of space and time caused by its high speed.

2. How does the speed of an object affect the flattening of a sphere?

The flattening of a sphere is directly related to the speed of an object. As the object's speed increases, its mass also increases, causing a greater distortion of space and time around it. This leads to a greater flattening of the sphere, as observed by an outside observer.

3. Can the theory of relativity explain the flattening of the Earth at its poles?

Yes, the theory of relativity can explain the flattening of the Earth's poles. The Earth's rotation causes it to bulge slightly at the equator, making it appear flattened at the poles. However, the theory of relativity also plays a role in this phenomenon, as the Earth's rotation causes its surface to move at a high speed, causing a slight flattening due to relativistic effects.

4. Is the flattening of a sphere due to relativistic speed observable in everyday life?

No, the flattening of a sphere due to relativistic speed is not observable in everyday life. This is because the speeds at which relativistic effects become noticeable are extremely high, close to the speed of light. Everyday objects and even high-speed vehicles do not reach these speeds, so the flattening of a sphere is not observed.

5. Can the theory of relativity be applied to objects of any size?

Yes, the theory of relativity can be applied to objects of any size. Relativistic effects become more noticeable at extremely high speeds, regardless of the size of the object. However, for objects with a large mass, such as planets and stars, the effects of relativity are more significant and can be observed more easily.

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