Range of value to satisfy sufficient and necessary condition

In summary, the conversation discusses the conditions under which p is a sufficient or necessary condition for q. It is stated that p is the region inside a circle and q is the infinite region bounded by two lines and the x-axis. The range of c is sought to satisfy both conditions. It is concluded that for p to be sufficient for q, the circle must be a subset of the region between the lines, and for p to be necessary for q, the region must be a subset of the circle. However, since the region between the lines extends infinitely, it is not possible for any c to satisfy this condition.
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Homework Statement


Let
p: x and y satisfy inequality x2 + y2 + 4x - 8y + c < 0 where c is real number
q: x and y satisfy x - y + 8 > 0 ; 4x + 3y - 24 < 0 ; y < 0

Find the range of c so that:
a. p is sufficient condition for q
b. p is necessary condition for q

Homework Equations


Circle
Inequality

The Attempt at a Solution


p is the region inside circle (excluding circumference), centered at (-2, 4) and has radius of √(20 - c)

q is the infinite region bounded by two lines and x - axis

I want to ask whether my opinion is correct:
a. For p to be sufficient condition for q, region q should be located inside the circle
b. For p to be necessary condition for q, the circle should be inside the region of q

Thanks
 
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I think it's the other way around.
'p is sufficient for q' means ##p\Rightarrow q## which should mean that ##p\subseteq q##.
 
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'p' is the interior of a circle with radius depending on c, 'q' is the region between two intersecting lines and below the y-axis . 'if p then q' (p is a sufficient condition for q) says that if (x,y) is in the circle it must be in the region between the lines- the circle must be a subset of the region. 'if q then p' (p is a necessary condition for q) says that if (x, y) is in the region it must be a in the circle- the region is a subset of the circle. But since the region between the line extends infinitely, that does not see, possible for any 'c'. If the last condition were "y> 0", then it would be a bounded triangular region.
 
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I get it.

Thanks a lot for all the help
 

Related to Range of value to satisfy sufficient and necessary condition

1. What is a "sufficient" condition?

A sufficient condition is a condition that, if met, guarantees the truth of a statement or the occurrence of an event. It is enough for the statement or event to happen, but it does not necessarily mean that it is the only way for it to happen.

2. What is a "necessary" condition?

A necessary condition is a condition that must be met in order for a statement to be true or an event to occur. It is a crucial part of the statement or event, and if it is not met, the statement will be false or the event will not occur.

3. What is the relationship between a sufficient and necessary condition?

A sufficient condition is a condition that guarantees the truth of a statement or the occurrence of an event, while a necessary condition is a condition that must be met for the statement to be true or the event to occur. Both conditions are important in determining the validity of a statement or the likelihood of an event happening.

4. How do you determine the range of values that satisfy both a sufficient and necessary condition?

The range of values that satisfy both a sufficient and necessary condition can be determined by finding the overlap between the two conditions. This can be done by evaluating the conditions separately and then finding the values that satisfy both of them.

5. Can a range of values satisfy a sufficient condition but not a necessary condition?

Yes, a range of values can satisfy a sufficient condition but not a necessary condition. This means that the statement may be true or the event may occur, but it is not necessarily because of the necessary condition. The sufficient condition alone is enough to satisfy the statement or event.

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