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Question on Forum Most Recently Updated Thread when there is a Subforum.

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Ackbach

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As you can see from this screenshot, which I have altered so you can see the correspondence between the subforum name and the most recently updated thread in that subforum,

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the current code includes subforums in its search for most recently updated thread. The Math Notes forum includes the Commentary Threads subforum. The "Commentary for Nonlinear PDEs" thread is not immediately in the Math Notes subforum, yet it is appearing as the most recently updated thread in that subforum. I think this would be confusing to users. I think it should be that the most recently updated thread in a forum should be directly in that forum, not indirectly in any subforums. Would that be a difficult change to make?
 

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Jameson

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Hmm, interesting. I think the easiest solution would be to change "Commentary Threads" from a subforum of "Math Notes" to a subforum of "Useful Mathematics Resources". Would that work for you?
 
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Ackbach

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Hmm, interesting. I think the easiest solution would be to change "Commentary Threads" from a subforum of "Math Notes" to a subforum of "Useful Mathematics Resources". Would that work for you?
Well, the problem is that there are lots of subforums on MHB, and this problem is going to be present for every one of those. I'd rather solve the root problem, whereas making the Commentary Thread subforum at the same hierarchy level as Math Notes seems to me a bit of a band-aid solution. If we solve the root problem, then MHB could be more flexible, right?

I'll look through the ACP and see if there isn't a setting somewhere that changes this.
 

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Maybe I didn't quite get your point. :confused: Let's say someone makes a new thread/post in the "Commentary threads" forum, which is a subforum of "Math Notes", which is a subforum of "Useful Mathematics Resources". You want it such that a new thread/post in the "Math Notes" section doesn't appear as a new thread/post in the "Math Notes" section as well, right?

I am not sure that is possible and I'm not familiar with any setting that could address this.
I took a look at the "Forum listings" options earlier, which pertain to displaying subforums but couldn't make anything happen. I agree that fixing it is better than a work-around solution, but it's a unique case since it's the only sub-subforum we have right now.

Another solution would be to give "Math Notes" its own forum, since we have a fairly large amount of them for the size of our site. Showing them more prominently wouldn't be a bad thing.
 
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Ackbach

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Maybe I didn't quite get your point. :confused: Let's say someone makes a new thread/post in the "Commentary threads" forum, which is a subforum of "Math Notes", which is a subforum of "Useful Mathematics Resources". You want it such that a new thread/post in the "Math Notes" section doesn't appear as a new thread/post in the "Math Notes" section as well, right?
Not exactly. I'm saying that the new or updated thread in the Commentary Threads forum should show up as the most recently updated thread in the Commentary Threads forum (which it does currently), but not as the most recently updated thread in the Math Notes forum (which is not the current behavior). The most recently updated thread in Math Notes proper should be listed as the most recently updated thread in Math Notes.

I am not sure that is possible and I'm not familiar with any setting that could address this.
I took a look at the "Forum listings" options earlier, which pertain to displaying subforums but couldn't make anything happen. I agree that fixing it is better than a work-around solution, but it's a unique case since it's the only sub-subforum we have right now.
I see what you mean. I was thinking we had other forums like that, but it's true that the Commentary Threads forum is the only forum at that hierarchical level.

Another solution would be to give "Math Notes" its own forum, since we have a fairly large amount of them for the size of our site. Showing them more prominently wouldn't be a bad thing.
That's an idea, I grant, too. But if we could fix this problem, then we can be as flexible as we want. Fixing this problem allows us to be more scalable. For example, what happens when we get to 1M threads? At that point, we might want to have more layers of subforums so that folks can post in a more specific place.
 

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I've been looking into this some more and think I've found that there isn't a workaround for this but I do feel I understand what's going on much better.

In fact this is the way new threads/posts are updated in a similar situation. If we look at the main page and the forum "Useful Mathematics Resources", we see that there are 3 subforums. If any new post is made in those subforums then it will be listed as the newest post for the "Useful Mathematics Resources" forum. There isn't a problem with double listing this information though because the subforum listings don't display any of this information on our homepage.

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In the above image we can see that the latest post is from the subforum "Questions from other sites", but this post displays as an update for "Useful Mathematics Resources".

Now, when we open "Useful Mathematics Resources" we see the 3 subforums as before but now it's important to note that "Commentary threads" is a sub-sub-forum. It is a child forum of "Math Notes". Updates to "Commentary threads" will update the parent forum, "Math Notes" just as we saw on the home page, however in this situation we see more than just the name of the subforums and we have this issue as Ackbach brought up.

It's important to note that posting in "Math Notes" doesn't affect the last post for "Commentary threads" but in the reverse situation both are affected. I just tested this to make sure.

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So, if this is all in fact true then what should we do to fix it? If move "Commentary threads" up a level such that it's no longer a subforum of "Math Notes" then new posts should display more logically.