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#### DaalChawal

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I am confused in (iia) and (iib).

If $x^4 +( \alpha - 1) x^2 + \alpha + 2 = 0$ has real roots that means $y^2 + ( \alpha -1) + \alpha + 2 =0$ should have at least one non-negative root. This means product of roots of (2) can be greater or less than zero...But I'm not able to comment on sum of roots.

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#### Klaas van Aarsen

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I am confused in (iia) and (iib).

If $x^4 +( \alpha - 1) x^2 + \alpha + 2 = 0$ has real roots that means $y^2 + ( \alpha -1) + \alpha + 2 =0$ should have at least one non-negative root. This means product of roots of (2) can be greater or less than zero...But I'm not able to comment on sum of roots.

Let's assume from here on that the discriminant is $\ge 0$. Otherwise there is no solution.

Now let's forget about roots that can be zero for a moment.
If the product of the roots is positive, then that means that either both roots are positive, or both roots are negative.
Otherwise the product is not positive.
So we can't tell yet if we have at least one positive root.
However, if there is at least one positive, then the other root must also be positive, so their sum must be positive.
And if both roots are negative, then their sum must be negative.
So the sum of the roots allows us to distinguish cases.
In short if $\text{Product of roots} >0 \text{ and } \text{Sum of roots} > 0$, then we have a non-negative root as desired.

If the product of the roots is negative, then that means there is one positive root and one negative root, so we have what we need.
In short if $\text{Product of roots} <0$, then we have a non-negative root as desired.

Now let's go back to roots that could be zero.
If at least one root is zero, then the product is zero as well, and we have a non-negative root as desired.
In short if $\text{Product of roots} =0$, then we have a non-negative root as desired.

In all other cases, we don't have a non-negative root.

Can we combine those 3 conditions into what we have in (iia) and (iib)?

#### DaalChawal

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if there is at least one positive, then the other root must also be positive, so their sum must be positive.
Isn't there a possibility that other root can be negative but of less magnitude so that sum becomes positive and product becomes negative?

#### DaalChawal

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We can combine for (iia) and (iib) we will take union of those domains and for whole (i) and (ii) we can take intersection

#### Klaas van Aarsen

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Isn't there a possibility that other root can be negative but of less magnitude so that sum becomes positive and product becomes negative?
If both roots are negative, then the sum is negative.
So in your case we must have a root that is positive.
Then the product is indeed negative.

If the product is negative, then we don't need to look at the sum at all because one of the roots must be positive, so that we have a solution.