QM vs. the second law of thermodynamics

In summary, the principle of entropy never decreasing in physics can be violated temporarily in quantum mechanics. This is due to the fact that entropy is an averaged quantity and fluctuates over time. The entropy of a system is determined by the number of accessible states it can be in, and if the mentioned state is one of those accessible states, the system will eventually reach it. However, this does not mean that the entropy has decreased, as it will eventually explore other states and the average entropy remains constant.
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One of the most classical and verified principles of physics is that entropy never decreases. E.g. gas occupying half of a 1L container will quickly disperse quite-evenly throughout the container. It seems however, that QM easily allows momentary violations of this principle. For instance (the classical QM-for-the-laymen idea) is that such a collection of particles (gas in a 1L container) could spontaneously arrange itself into half of the container, with some small probability.
If that happened, wouldn't it be a drastic decrease in entropy?
 
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Entropy is an averaged quantity -- averaged with respect to time. There will always be fluctuations with respect to the 'average' state of the system (the so-called Gibbs state). You cannot speak of the entropy at a specific instance of time, because at any given time the system will be in a definite state which would imply zero entropy. Rather, the entropy arises as a measure of the number of states accessible to the system. As the system evolves it will explore, for lack of a better word, the space of accessible states. The size of this space determines the entropy. If the specific state you mentioned is part of this space of accessible states, then the system will -- at some point -- sit in this state.

But even if the particles arrange themself into half of the container, you're guarenteed that at a later time the system will be in some other state. Averaged over time, the entropy hasn't decreased.
 

Related to QM vs. the second law of thermodynamics

1. What is the second law of thermodynamics?

The second law of thermodynamics is a fundamental principle in physics that states that the total entropy (disorder) of a closed system will always tend to increase over time.

2. How does the second law of thermodynamics relate to quantum mechanics?

The second law of thermodynamics is a macroscopic law, meaning it applies to large-scale systems. Quantum mechanics is a microscopic theory, meaning it describes the behavior of particles at a subatomic level. While the second law of thermodynamics does not directly apply to quantum systems, it can be derived from the laws of quantum mechanics when applied to large systems.

3. Can quantum mechanics violate the second law of thermodynamics?

No, quantum mechanics does not violate the second law of thermodynamics. While individual quantum events may seem to go against the second law, on a larger scale, the laws of thermodynamics still hold true. This is because the second law takes into account the entire system, not just individual particles or events.

4. How does the concept of entropy in quantum mechanics differ from classical thermodynamics?

In classical thermodynamics, entropy is a measure of the disorder of a system. In quantum mechanics, entropy is a measure of the uncertainty or lack of knowledge about a system. This means that even in a perfectly ordered quantum system, there is still a level of uncertainty that contributes to the overall entropy.

5. Is there ongoing research on the relationship between quantum mechanics and the second law of thermodynamics?

Yes, there is ongoing research on this topic. Scientists are exploring the connection between quantum entanglement and the second law of thermodynamics, as well as investigating how quantum systems can evolve to a state of maximum entropy. There is also research being done on the potential impact of quantum computers on the second law of thermodynamics.

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