Pulse Skipping - Calculating Frequency Limits

In summary, the LT3507 can be used to create a switching regulator circuit, but it requires a bit of know-how to get started. To determine Vin(ps), the user needs to know t_{ON(MIN)} and f_{SW}. For fmax1, the user needs to subs. the expression into:
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I'm trying to design my first switching regulator circuit. I require three voltage rails, 5V, 3.3V and 1.8V. But to get started, I'm just focusing on 1.8V. I've decided to use the LT3507 as it seems to be commonly available here. It also has 3 buck regulator outputs, so it's a one-chip solution for me.

http://www.linear.com/docs/Datasheet/3507fa.pdf

However, as I'm new to this, I struggling a bit with calculating the upper frequency limits fmax1 and fmax2. Please see page 10 for the formulas used to derive fmax1 and fmax2. For them, I need to determine Vin(ps), Vout (=1.8V), Vf(=0.4V), Vsw(=0.3V) and I need to know ton(min) which is 130ns, as given in the datasheet.

OK, to determine Vin(ps) seems easy enough. I just need DC(min) which is

[itex]t_{ON(MIN)} \times f_{sw} = 130ns \times 450kHz = 0.0585[/itex]

I assume fsw is the switching frequency I'll work at. Let's take 450kHz as an example. If that's the case, then DC(min) is just 0.0585. The expression for Vin(ps) is:

[itex]\frac{V_{out} + Vf}{DC_{min}} - V_{f} + V_{SW} = \frac{1.8 + 0.4}{0.0585} - 0.4 + 0.3 = 37.506V[/itex]

If I understand Pulse-Skipping correctly, if I exceed the above voltage then pulse-skipping will kick into make sure the output voltage doesn't exceed 1.8V.

To compute fmax1, I subs. the above into:

[itex]\frac{V_{out} + V_{f}}{V_{IN(PS)} - V_{SW} + V_{F}} \times \frac{1}{t_{on(min)}}= \frac{1.8 + 0.4}{37.5 - 0.3 + 0.4} \times \frac{1}{130ns} = 450kHz[/itex]

No matter what I do, my fmax1 always computes to be equal to fsw that I chose above. Why is this? I've used Excel and I've done it on paper and I get the same result.

I feel like I'm missing something basic and I would really appreciate some help with this. I don't really have a co-worker that I could ask and so the web is the only place I can ask. Googling this doesn't seem to return much.

If the above result is correct, then what does it imply? The datasheet states

fMAX1 is the frequency at which the minimum duty cycle is exceeded. The regulator will skip ON pulses in order to reduce the overall duty cycle at frequencies above fMAX1. It will continue to regulate but with increased inductor current and greatly increased output ripple. The increased peak inductor current in pulse-skipping will also stress the switch transistor at high voltages and high switching frequency. If the LT3507 is allowed to pulse-skip and the input voltage is greater than 20V, then the switching frequency must be kept below 1.1MHz to prevent damage to the LT3507.
 
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Regulating 37V down to 1.8V in one step is a bit much. That's why you are getting such a small duty cycle (5%).

What is the input voltage to your circuit? What will the current drain be for each of the rails? It would probably be better to do a single buck regulator for the 5V rail, and then use a linear LDO for the 3.3V. Depending on the current required for the 1.8V, you could either do a linear off of 5V or 3.3V, or do a buck regulator off of the 5V rail.
 
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Thanks! Sorry about the late reply - I didn't notice anyone replied.

The input voltage is just 7V. Actually, I can make it anything I want as it's in my hands, so I'm going with 7V. The 5V and 3.3V rail have the highest current requirement (0.5A and 1A respectively). My initial estimates suggest this would make linear reg. too hot without a heat-sink, but with one it may be manageable.

The other solution I came up with is that I ought to instead use 3 buck regulators instead of a single IC. With enough speed, the inductor and caps ought to be small enough.
 

Related to Pulse Skipping - Calculating Frequency Limits

1. What is pulse skipping?

Pulse skipping, also known as pulse frequency modulation or pulse density modulation, is a technique used in electronic circuits to control the output voltage or current by varying the frequency of pulses.

2. How do you calculate the frequency limits for pulse skipping?

The frequency limits for pulse skipping can be calculated using the Nyquist sampling theorem, which states that the sampling frequency must be at least twice the highest frequency component of the input signal. This means that the frequency limits for pulse skipping are determined by the switching frequency of the pulses.

3. What is the purpose of pulse skipping?

The purpose of pulse skipping is to reduce the average power consumption of a circuit while maintaining a constant output voltage or current. This is achieved by skipping some of the pulses, resulting in a longer average time between pulses and therefore reducing the overall power consumption.

4. What are the benefits of using pulse skipping?

Using pulse skipping can result in significant power savings, making it a useful technique for energy-efficient circuits. It can also reduce the size and cost of power supply components, as well as improve the overall efficiency of the circuit.

5. Are there any limitations to pulse skipping?

One limitation of pulse skipping is that it can introduce noise into the output signal, which can be problematic for sensitive electronic devices. Additionally, the switching frequency must be carefully chosen to avoid interference with other components in the circuit. Finally, pulse skipping may not be suitable for all types of circuits and applications.

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