Prove: No Real Roots for Polynomial x^4-px^3+qx^2-sqrt(q)x+1

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In summary, the polynomial x^4-px^3+qx^2-sqrt(q)x+1 is a fourth degree polynomial with four terms. It can be proven that there are no real roots for this polynomial by using the Rational Root Theorem, which states that the only possible rational roots are 1 and -1, but plugging them in does not result in a zero. However, this polynomial can have up to 4 complex roots according to the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra. The constant term of 1 represents the y-intercept of the polynomial's graph and plays a role in determining the roots, as it indicates that there are no real roots. Other methods to prove that there are no real roots include using Descart
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Here is this week's POTW:

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If $q>0$ and $p$ is a real number, prove that the polynomial $x^4-px^3+qx^2-\sqrt{q}x+1=0$ has no real roots.

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Hello all!

I apologize to the community for posting a question that is misphrase.:oops:

The question should indeed read:

If $q>0$ and $p$ is a real number, prove that the polynomial $x^4−px^3+qx^2−\sqrt{q}x+1=0$ cannot have all real roots.

Thanks to Opalg for catching it!
 
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Congratulations to Opalg for his correct solution:cool:, which you can find below!

Solution from Opalg:
If all the roots are real then the polynomial can be factorised as \[(1) \qquad x^4 - px^3 + qx^2 - \sqrt qx + 1 = (x^2 + ax + c)(x^2 + bx + \frac1c),\] and both quadratic factors have real roots. The conditions for that are \[(2)\qquad a^2\geqslant 4c, \qquad b^2\geqslant \frac4c.\] Comparing coefficients of $x$ and $x^2$ in (1), \[(3)\qquad bc + \frac ac = -\sqrt q,\qquad c+ab + \frac1c = q.\] Therefore (using (2)) \[(4)\qquad c+ab + \frac1c = (bc + \frac ac)^2 = b^2c^2 + 2ab + \frac{a^2}{c^2} \geqslant 4c + 2ab + \frac4c,\] from which $3c + ab + \frac3c \leqslant0.$

But from (3), $c+ab + \frac1c = q >0$. It follows that $3c + ab + \frac3c \leqslant0 < c+ab + \frac1c$, from which $c + \frac1c <0$ and $ab>0$. But from (4), \[ (5)\qquad c + \frac1c =b^2c^2 + ab + \frac{a^2}{c^2}.\] However, the left side of (5) is negative and everything on the right side of (5) is positive. That contradiction shows that the original assumption (that all the roots of the polynomial are real) is false. So the polynomial cannot have all real roots.

Alternate solution from other:
Assume that the polynomial has 4 non-zero real roots.

We then let $y_1, y_2, y_3$ and $y_4$ be the inverses of those four real roots and they form another polynomial of the form f $y^4-\sqrt{q}y+qy^2-py+1=0$.

Vieta's formulas say we then have

$(y_1+y_2+y_3+y_4)^2=\sqrt{q}^2=y_1y_2+y_1y_3+y_1y_4+y_2y_3+y_2y_4+y_3y_4$

From the identity $(y_1+y_2+y_3+y_4)^2=y_1^2+y_2^2+y_3^2+y_4^2+2(y_1y_2+y_1y_3+y_1y_4+y_2y_3+y_2y_4+y_3y_4)$, we see that

$y_1^2+y_2^2+y_3^2+y_4^2=q-2q=-q<0$ (since $q>0$)

where we have reached a contradiction so our assumption was false.

Therefore, the polynomial cannot have all real roots.
 

Related to Prove: No Real Roots for Polynomial x^4-px^3+qx^2-sqrt(q)x+1

1. What does the polynomial x^4-px^3+qx^2-sqrt(q)x+1 mean?

The polynomial x^4-px^3+qx^2-sqrt(q)x+1 is a mathematical expression that represents a function. It is made up of terms with different powers of x, and the coefficients p and q are constants. The term sqrt(q) represents the square root of q.

2. How do you prove that there are no real roots for x^4-px^3+qx^2-sqrt(q)x+1?

To prove that there are no real roots for x^4-px^3+qx^2-sqrt(q)x+1, we can use the discriminant of the polynomial. The discriminant is given by b^2-4ac, where a, b, and c are the coefficients of the polynomial. If the discriminant is negative, then there are no real roots for the polynomial.

3. Can you provide an example to illustrate that there are no real roots for x^4-px^3+qx^2-sqrt(q)x+1?

Yes, for example, let p=2, q=3, and sqrt(q)=1. Then the polynomial becomes x^4-2x^3+3x^2-x+1. The discriminant of this polynomial is (-2)^2-4(1)(3)=-8, which is negative. Therefore, there are no real roots for this polynomial.

4. What is the significance of having no real roots for a polynomial?

Having no real roots for a polynomial means that the graph of the polynomial does not intersect the x-axis. This indicates that the polynomial does not have any real solutions or solutions that can be expressed in terms of real numbers. In other words, the polynomial does not have any real values of x that make the polynomial equal to zero.

5. Can this statement be generalized to all polynomials?

No, this statement cannot be generalized to all polynomials. It only applies to polynomials of the form x^4-px^3+qx^2-sqrt(q)x+1. Other polynomials may have real roots or may not have real roots. The presence or absence of real roots depends on the coefficients and the degree of the polynomial.

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