Product Rule Proof: Reasons Why it Won't Work

In summary, the conversation discusses the incorrect computation of the expression $\lim_{\Delta x\to 0}\left(\frac{\Delta(g(x)h(x))}{\Delta x}\right)$ and the incorrect assumption that $\Delta(g(x)h(x)) = (\Delta g(x))(\Delta h(x))$ to leading order in $\Delta x$. The proper proof for this limit is also provided. It is also mentioned that attaching images can be difficult to read and quote properly on mobile devices, and a tutorial for writing proper forum maths is shared.
  • #1
UMath1
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Why wouldn't this work?
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  • #2
Because
$$
\lim_{\Delta x\to 0}\left(\frac{\Delta(g(x)h(x))}{\Delta x}\right) \neq \lim_{\Delta x\to 0}\left(\frac{\Delta g(x)}{\Delta x}\right)\lim_{\Delta x\to 0}\left(\frac{\Delta h(x)}{\Delta x}\right).
$$
It is unclear why you think these expressions would be equal on quite a few levels.
 
  • #3
Isn't that a limit law though?
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  • #4
You are doing something completely different from that law. Not only are you not computing ##\Delta(g(x) h(x))## correctly, you are also introducing an arbitrary extra ##\Delta x## in the denominator.

Also, you should stop attaching images like these. They are going to be impossible to read on most mobile devices and impossible to quote properly. There is a tutorial on how to write proper forum maths here: https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
 
  • #5
I understand that I put in an extra Δx. But how is Δ(g(x)h(x)) beung computed incorrectly?
 
  • #6
UMath1 said:
I understand that I put in an extra Δx. But how is Δ(g(x)h(x)) beung computed incorrectly?

You are assuming ##\Delta(g(x)h(x)) = (\Delta g(x))(\Delta h(x))## to leading order in ##\Delta x##:
 
  • #7
Oh ok..thanks!
 
  • #8
Orodruin said:
Also, you should stop attaching images like these. They are going to be impossible to read on most mobile devices and impossible to quote properly. There is a tutorial on how to write proper forum maths here: https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
I agree completely. The image you posted in #3 can be done right here in the text input pane.
 
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The standard proof: Let [itex] f(x)=u(x)\cdot v(x)[/itex]. Then [itex]f(x+h)=u(x+h)\cdot v(x+h) [/itex]. This means that [itex]f(x+h)-f(x)=u(x+h)\cdot v(x+h) - u(x)\cdot v(x) [/itex]. Now add and subtract [itex]u(x+h)v(x) [/itex]: [itex] f(x+h)-f(x)=u(x+h)\cdot v(x+h) - u(x+h)\cdot v(x) + u(x+h)\cdot v(x) - u(x)\cdot v(x)= u(x+h)\cdot[v(x+h)- v(x)]+v(x)\cdot [u(x+h)-u(x)][/itex].
Now divide by h and go to the limit: [itex] f'(x)= \lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{u(x+h)\cdot[v(x+h)- v(x)]}{h}+\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{v(x)\cdot [u(x+h)-u(x)]}{h}=u(x)\cdot v'(x)+u'(x)v(x)[/itex].
 

Related to Product Rule Proof: Reasons Why it Won't Work

1. What is the product rule proof and why is it important in science?

The product rule proof is a mathematical formula used in calculus to find the derivative of two functions multiplied together. It is important in science because it allows us to calculate the rate of change of a product of two variables, which is crucial in many scientific fields such as physics, chemistry, and engineering.

2. Can you explain the steps involved in proving the product rule?

To prove the product rule, we start by defining a function f(x) as the product of two functions, g(x) and h(x). We then use the definition of the derivative to expand f'(x) and simplify it to get the product rule formula, which is (g(x)*h'(x))+(h(x)*g'(x)).

3. What are some common mistakes made when using the product rule?

Some common mistakes when using the product rule include forgetting to add the second term in the formula (+h(x)*g'(x)), making errors in simplifying the expanded derivative, and incorrectly identifying which function is g(x) and which is h(x).

4. Can the product rule be used for more than two functions?

Yes, the product rule can be extended to any number of functions multiplied together. The general formula for n functions is (f1' * f2 * f3 * ... * fn) + (f1 * f2' * f3 * ... * fn) + ... + (f1 * f2 * f3 * ... * fn').

5. Are there any alternative methods for finding the derivative of a product of functions?

Yes, there are alternative methods such as the quotient rule, chain rule, and power rule, which can be used to find the derivative of a product of functions. The choice of method depends on the complexity of the functions involved and personal preference.

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