Problem on Differential Pulleys

[nirmalya1basu]

Homework Statement

The differential pulley shown (vide the figure in the attached file) uses chain with N links per ft. The upper pulley has indentations which match the chain links, the larger sheave having n notches in its circumference and the smaller sheave, (n - 1) notches. (Each notch corresponds to two chain links.) The friction in the system is such that the ratio of the forces needed to raise or lower a weight W are in the ratio R. Assuming that the friction is the same in each direction, find the forces needed to raise W and to lower W.

Given answers:
Force needed to raise W = W*R / [n*(R - 1) + 1]
Force needed to lower W = W / [n*(R - 1) + 1]

Relevant Equations

1) Gravitational potential energy for one object = weight * height
2) Change in energy = force * (distance the force acts through)
3) Kinetic energy = (1/2)*m*(v^2)
4) Principle of conservation of energy
5) Principle of virtual work

Let the radius of the larger sheave in the upper pulley be r1, and the radius of the smaller sheave in this pulley be r2.
Given, the larger sheave has n notches in its circumference and the smaller sheave, (n - 1) notches.
Therefore, 2*pi*r1 corresponds to n notches, and 2*pi*r2 corresponds to (n - 1) notches.
Therefore, r1/r2 = n/(n - 1) ---> (1)
Also given, F(raising) / F(lowering) = R ---> (2)
Let, when the weight is raised or lowered, the upper pulley turns an angle x.
Then, the distance through which the weight displaces = (r1 - r2)*x = [{n/(n - 1)}*r2 - r2]*x = x/(n - 1).
After this, I have not been able to make further progress.

 

[haruspex]

You have not attempted to involve friction, but you know it is relevant.

 

[nirmalya1basu]

Thank you, Sir, for your reply. I understand that friction is relevant, but, I am unable to write equations involving friction that will help in solving the problem. What I have thought is the following:

Work done by the lowering force = F(lowering) * {r2*x/(n - 1)}
Work done by the raising force = F(raising) * {r2*x/(n - 1)}
Work done by friction (in both lowering and raising) = F(friction) * {r2*x/(n - 1)}
Decrease in potential energy of the weight when lowered = W * {r2*x/(n - 1)}
Increase in potential energy of the weight when raised = W * {r2*x/(n - 1)}
Also given, F(raising) / F(lowering) = R

But, I am unable to proceed further. Please help me solve the problem.

 

[haruspex]

Thank you, Sir, for your reply. I understand that friction is relevant, but, I am unable to write equations involving friction that will help in solving the problem. What I have thought is the following:

Work done by the lowering force = F(lowering) * {r2*x/(n - 1)}
Work done by the raising force = F(raising) * {r2*x/(n - 1)}
Work done by friction (in both lowering and raising) = F(friction) * {r2*x/(n - 1)}
Decrease in potential energy of the weight when lowered = W * {r2*x/(n - 1)}
Increase in potential energy of the weight when raised = W * {r2*x/(n - 1)}
Also given, F(raising) / F(lowering) = R

But, I am unable to proceed further. Please help me solve the problem.

You need to relate the work done by the user to the useful work done. If the weight is raised distance y, what is the useful work done? How does that relate to the friction and the actual work done by the user?

 

[nirmalya1basu]

It appears to me that if the weight is raised a distance y, then
the useful work done = W*y
Actual work done by the user = F(raising) * y
Work done by friction = F(friction) * y
Now, if we say that
Useful work done = Actual work done by the user - Work done by friction,
then we have
W*y = F(raising) * y - F(friction) * y
Then, dividing the LHS and the RHS of the equation by y, we have
W = F(raising) - F(friction)
But, this does not appear to me to be correct because that would mean that the resultant force acting on the weight W is 0, and so, the weight W is supposed to be at rest; but then, it could not be raised at all.
Could you please give me some suggestion regarding this?

 

[Lnewqban]

... Actual work done by the user = F(raising) * y

This seems not to be correct.
The mechanical advantage of the device makes the magnitude of the hand force to be less than W and the length of pulled chain to be greater than y.
That manual work should be equal to the needed work to overcome internal friction plus W times y.

"The friction in the system is such that the ratio of the forces needed to raise or lower a weight W are in the ratio R."
This statement seems to imply that Manual F times R = W.

"Assuming that the friction is the same in each direction, find the forces needed to raise W and to lower W."
This statement seems to imply that gravity will be helping the hand when lowering the load.

 

[haruspex]

this does not appear to me to be correct because that would mean that the resultant force acting on the weight W is 0

While there does need to be a net force to make the weight start moving, it does not need to move very quickly. So it can just be quite a small net force for a short time. Likewise, when the weight is nearly up to where the user is trying to move it to, the net force can be allowed to go negative; the weight slows to a stop at the desired height.
So it is quite ok to treat it as though there is no net force.

 

[nirmalya1basu]

This seems not to be correct.
The mechanical advantage of the device makes the magnitude of the hand force to be less than W and the length of pulled chain to be greater than y.
That manual work should be equal to the needed work to overcome internal friction plus W times y.

"The friction in the system is such that the ratio of the forces needed to raise or lower a weight W are in the ratio R."
This statement seems to imply that Manual F times R = W.

"Assuming that the friction is the same in each direction, find the forces needed to raise W and to lower W."
This statement seems to imply that gravity will be helping the hand when lowering the load.

Sir, it does not appear to me that Manual F times R = W because the following answers to the problem are given:
Force needed to raise W = W*R / [n*(R - 1) + 1]
Force needed to lower W = W / [n*(R - 1) + 1]

 

[nirmalya1basu]

While there does need to be a net force to make the weight start moving, it does not need to move very quickly. So it can just be quite a small net force for a short time. Likewise, when the weight is nearly up to where the user is trying to move it to, the net force can be allowed to go negative; the weight slows to a stop at the desired height.
So it is quite ok to treat it as though there is no net force.

Sir, I have understood your point. I will try to solve the problem using this concept.

 

[nirmalya1basu]

I have tried to solve the problem in the following way.
When the weight W is raised a distance y, then
Useful work done = Actual work done by the user - Work done by friction
Therefore, W*y = F(raising) * y - F(friction) * y
or, W = F(raising) - F(friction)
or, F(raising) - F(friction) = W ---> (1)

When the weight W is lowered a distance y, then
the lowering force and the gravitational force do work to overcome friction.
Therefore, work done by lowering force + work done by gravitational force = work done by friction
or, F(lowering) * y + W*y = F(friction) * y
or, F(lowering) + W = F(friction) ---> (2)

Also given,
F(raising) / F(lowering) = R ---> (3)

Now, solving equations (1), (2) and (3), we get
F(lowering) = 2*W/(R - 1)
F(raising) = 2*R*W/(R - 1)

But, these do not match the answers that have been given which answers are as follows:
F(raising) = W*R / [n*(R - 1) + 1]
F(lowering) = W / [n*(R - 1) + 1]

Could you please suggest what needs to be done?

 

[erobz]

I have tried to solve the problem in the following way.
When the weight W is raised a distance y, then
Useful work done = Actual work done by the user - Work done by friction
Therefore, W*y = F(raising) * y - F(friction) * y
or, W = F(raising) - F(friction)
or, F(raising) - F(friction) = W ---> (1)

When the weight W is lowered a distance y, then
the lowering force and the gravitational force do work to overcome friction.
Therefore, work done by lowering force + work done by gravitational force = work done by friction
or, F(lowering) * y + W*y = F(friction) * y
or, F(lowering) + W = F(friction) ---> (2)

Also given,
F(raising) / F(lowering) = R ---> (3)

Now, solving equations (1), (2) and (3), we get
F(lowering) = 2*W/(R - 1)
F(raising) = 2*R*W/(R - 1)

But, these do not match the answers that have been given which answers are as follows:
F(raising) = W*R / [n*(R - 1) + 1]
F(lowering) = W / [n*(R - 1) + 1]

Could you please suggest what needs to be done?

If the user pulls the rope down a distance ##y##, how far is weight raised?

 

[nirmalya1basu]

I have solved the problem in the following way.
When the weight W is raised a distance y, F(raising) acts through a distance [{2*r1/(r1 - r2)} * y], and F(friction) acts on the chain through a distance [{2*(r1 + r2)/(r1 - r2)} * y].
Then, we have
F(raising) * [{2*r1/(r1 - r2)} * y] - F(friction) * [{2*(r1 + r2)/(r1 - r2)} * y] = W*y
or, F(raising) * {2*r1/(r1 - r2)} - F(friction) * {2*(r1 + r2)/(r1 - r2)} = W ---> (1)

When the weight W is lowered a distance y, F(lowering) acts through a distance [{2*r2/(r1 - r2)} * y], and F(friction) acts on the chain through a distance [{2*(r1 + r2)/(r1 - r2)} * y].
Then, we have
F(lowering) * [{2*r2/(r1 - r2)} * y] + W*y = F(friction) * [{2*(r1 + r2)/(r1 - r2)} * y]
or, F(lowering) * {2*r2/(r1 - r2)} + W = F(friction) * {2*(r1 + r2)/(r1 - r2)} ---> (2)

We also have
r1/r2 = n/(n - 1) ---> (3)
F(raising) / F(lowering) = R ---> (4)

Solving equations (1), (2), (3) and (4), we get
F(lowering) = W/[n*R - (n - 1)]
F(raising) = W*R/[n*R - (n - 1)]

or
F(lowering) = W/[n*(R - 1) + 1)]
F(raising) = W*R/[n*(R - 1) + 1)]

Thank you, all of you, for the guidance that you have given me in solving this problem.