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Or how about these politicians thinking about making arranged marriages illegal?
I'm sorry, that should not have read unskilled. Nonetheless, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread. With an aging society that is not producing children you need an influx of workers to support your social programs, and your aging society.Originally posted by Monique
who needs influx of unskilled labor?? how does that help an economy??
It's stated repeatedly on many sites that are focused on immigration in Europian countries. You can, access the links I've provided or search on your own but, I think you will see that it's true...And I am still not convinced that our immigration laws has become the most difficult of Western European countries.
Originally posted by jimmy p
HEY HEY must defend fellow European. How about what Britain are trying out. Our government are thinking of sending some of our Somalian refugees to Tanzania because Tanzania is a safer country than Somalia, and they will pay aid money for the refugees.
How about that then, trade of immigrants... a little barbaric don't you think. I know this isn't actually in action but the government is speculating...
How bout that for possibly difficult immigration laws?
IIRC we discussed a closely related matter on another thread. Basically, the aging Dutch (and British, and Japanese, and German, and ...) population is an 'old age pension' timebomb - within a decade or two the state will be completely unable to pay anything but pittance old age pensions (unless ...), the folk who will be nearing retirement most likely will have far too little saved to pay for their living costs in their retirement (esp medical, tho that will be a far, far worse problem in the US) (again, unless ...), and companies will have largely given up providing meaningful assistance to their workers re an old age pension (also, unless ...).Originally posted by Monique
who needs influx of unskilled labor?? how does that help an economy??
And I am still not convinced that our immigration laws has become the most difficult of Western European countries.
Originally posted by Nereid
David, are you suggesting that the Souix, Iroquois, Cree, Shoshone, etc should uproot and expel Israelite 'weeds' such as you?
Oh, I see. Quite a few of his posts seem to have a rather tenuous connection with reality, and written in such a way that one wonders just where to start in responding to them. Facts that contradict his assertions, and (internal) logical inconsistencies in his comments would normally be a good place to start, but he doesn't seem to be interested in those (a bit like theroyprocess perhaps?).Originally posted by kat
Nereid, he's not an Israelite...he's a fanatical christian from the North American bible belt. The Israelites were a bit brighter then we on this forum have been...they expelled his racist butt from Israel when he started spewing his venom in their country.
IMHO, a system for assessing and managing those who seek asylum or refuge is essential once a country has taken the honourable step of being willing to accept those who are in danger of persecution or death for their beliefs, ethnicity (etc). Is the Dutch one good? It certainly seems so. Could it be better? Surely! Perhaps though we should be asking pointed questions of governments such as Australia's, or Japan's - why so mean? Also, aren't there many countries which would give those persecuted asylum, or a home for refugees? Maybe it's that they aren't a rich as the Netherlands, or don't have quite as generous a social welfare system. IIRC, around the time that the UK exited Hong Kong, there was much fuss about Vietnamese boat people; a goodly number didn't want to go to third countries (who were willing to have them) because they weren't as rich as the UK!why is everyone overlooking the fact that together with planning to return 'uitgeprocudeerde' asylum seekers (the ones who have been through the system and for whom nothing can be done), we have granted a license for many to attain status at the same time?
Exactly right! Does Japan allow ANY immigrants into it's country? What I heard about Japan is that, say, a Chinese immigrant completely integrated after 10 years is still shunned and concieved as a foreigner by the Japanese.Originally posted by Nereid
Perhaps though we should be asking pointed questions of governments such as Australia's, or Japan's - why so mean?
I think you should wave goodbye and save the kiss for someone else. You're kidnapping this thread. Please get back OT...and for a refresher..the topic is the change in asylum law in the Netherlands.Originally posted by David Ben-Ariel
I'll wave and blow you a kiss and smile at the camera when I return next year!
Neried, it appears that the Netherlands at this point is that which the other europian countries are taking their cues from in regards to refugee/asylum programs. As the Dutch tighten up (so to speak) and become less compassionate (for whatever reasons) the others are following suite. Historicly, during times of economic stress Europe has been less then open to immigration from certain areas of the world..Including the period during the 70's where immigrants were being attacked while working on the docks in the Netherlands and of course denying immigration to refugees in the 30's where they were shipped back to their deaths. So, where we've already discussed that it makes no sense in an economic sense to block the immigration of the very work force you will be needing to be economicly sound...what's the real cause?Originally posted by Nereid
Anyway, back to Monique: IMHO, a system for assessing and managing those who seek asylum or refuge is essential once a country has taken the honourable step of being willing to accept those who are in danger of persecution or death for their beliefs, ethnicity (etc). Is the Dutch one good? It certainly seems so. Could it be better? Surely! Perhaps though we should be asking pointed questions of governments such as Australia's, or Japan's - why so mean? Also, aren't there many countries which would give those persecuted asylum, or a home for refugees? Maybe it's that they aren't a rich as the Netherlands, or don't have quite as generous a social welfare system. IIRC, around the time that the UK exited Hong Kong, there was much fuss about Vietnamese boat people; a goodly number didn't want to go to third countries (who were willing to have them) because they weren't as rich as the UK!
David, you are so aggressive. It is people like you who raise anger and intolerancy. I am Dutch and I don't want to expel anyone, let the islam do their prayers here in the Netherlands.Originally posted by David Ben-Ariel
The Israelite Dutch should expel those who would ultimately undermine them, who are a ticking time bomb, the Islamic insurgents.
I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, the Dutch have no connection whatsoever with Israel. I read your Zebulon link, but I don't believe in legends and myths. I don't even view a second generation Dutch immigrant in the US as Dutch. You are what you are brought up as, so don't claim us as Israelian. Not that I have anything against Israel.Originally posted by David Ben-Ariel
The Israelite Dutch
As with all policies of advanced economies, there are two aspects (at least) - the intention and the implementation. AFAIK, those who write policy (civil, or public, servants; a.k.a. bureaucrats, a much misused term) - pollies don't; they just set the general idea to music - are all too well aware of what's likely to be workable and what's not, and of the high cost of having an unworkable policy.Monique: *SNIP This legislation simply draws a line: if you don't fall under the guidelines that says you should be granted asylum, you can't stay.
*SNIP
the guidelines might not be fair that distinguish between someone that should be granted asylum and ones that should not. On the one hand there seems to be the unfairness where people only get a 48 hour window, on the other hand there seems to be the unfairness that people have to wait for several years and risking to get a 'no, sorry, can't stay'.
No, read the sentence again:Originally posted by David Ben-Ariel
Now, you're making progress, as your knowledge evolves to embrace your Dutch Israelite ROOTS! www.britam.org
I guess it would require a federal investigation to get to the bottom of such procedures, I am not particularly educated when it comes asylum rights either :)Originally posted by Nereid
Of course, this could all be pure speculation ... I can't see inside the pollies' heads!
Would there be any page on the web that keeps up statistics like this? Foreign aid, granting asylum..Originally posted by Nereid
OTOH, the amount of foreign aid Japan gives to other Asian countries is very high, much higher than the US (total, cf GDP), but not as high as the Netherlands (IIRC).
Well, http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=S%26(H%24%2FQA%23%24%0AMonique: Would there be any page on the web that keeps up statistics like this? Foreign aid, granting asylum..