Probability of measuring flavor f_1 for neutrinos with different masses?

In summary, the two questions are asking for the same thing--the probability of a neutrino of given mass and flavor having that mass.
  • #1
jfy4
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Homework Statement


Neutrinos are created in states of one of two possible flavors, [itex]f_1[/itex] or [itex]f_2[/itex]. Each flavor state can be expressed as a linear combination of mass eigenstates with masses [itex]m_1[/itex] and [itex]m_2[/itex]
[tex]
|f_1\rangle = |m_1\rangle a_{11}+|m_2\rangle a_{21}
[/tex]
[tex]
|f_2\rangle = |m_1\rangle a_{12} + |m_2\rangle a_{22}
[/tex]
The unitary matrix [itex]a_{ij}[/itex] is called the mixing matrix. The different mass of neutrinos with the same momentum move at different speeds. Eventually the light neutrino ([itex]m_1[/itex]) will outrun the heavier neutrino ([itex]m_2[/itex]). When the lighter neutrino reaches a detector only the flavor can be detected. what is the probability of measuring the flavor [itex]f_1[/itex]? After the flavor [itex]f_1[/itex] is measured and selected, what is the probability that the neutrino continues moving with the lighter mass ([itex]m_1[/itex])?

Homework Equations


[tex]
P=\frac{\langle a|b\rangle\langle b|a\rangle}{\langle a|a\rangle\langle b|b\rangle}
[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I feel like the two questions are the same... It sounds like to me that a neutrino prepared in a state [itex]|m_1\rangle[/itex] addresses the detector and I want to measure the probability of it being in a state [itex]f_1[/itex]. I interpret this as
[tex]
\begin{align}
P(f_1) &= \langle m_1|f_1\rangle\langle f_1|m_1\rangle \\
&= (a_{11}\langle m_1|m_1\rangle + a_{21}\langle m_1|m_2\rangle)(a_{11}^{\ast}\langle m_1|m_1\rangle + a_{21}^{\ast}\langle m_2|m_1\rangle
\end{align}
[/tex]
Then I assumed that [itex]\langle m_1|m_2\rangle=0[/itex] and [itex]\langle m_1|m_1\rangle=1[/itex] by orthogonality. Then
[tex]
P(f_1)=|a_{11}|^2
[/tex]
The problem is that this seems to me to be the way to answer both questions... Where is my misunderstanding?

Thanks,

PS I know it says this already but please don't tell me the answer, I really want to figure this out on my own, thanks.
 
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jfy4 said:
After the flavor [itex]f_1[/itex] is measured and selected, what is the probability that the neutrino continues moving with the lighter mass ([itex]m_1[/itex])?

Perhaps I see it differently...

Is this saying that now the state is [itex]|f_1\rangle[/itex] and we want to know the probability of state [itex]|m_1\rangle[/itex], that is
[tex]
\langle f_1|m_1\rangle\langle m_1|f_1\rangle ?
[/tex]

Thanks,
 
  • #3
Yes, that's how I read it as well.
 
  • #4
Okay, then I took [itex]f_i=a_{ij}m_j[/itex] and solved for [itex]m_j=a^{-1}_{ij}f_i[/itex]. I then carried out
[tex]
\langle f_1|m_1\rangle\langle m_1|f_1\rangle=\frac{|a_{22}|^2}{|a_{11}a_{22}-a_{12}a_{21}|^2}
[/tex]
but since [itex]a_{ij}[/itex] is unitary that is
[tex]
=|a_{22}|^2
[/tex]

Does that seem correct?
 
  • #5
ignore that dross above... I'm still stumped, they seem to be asking for the same probability. To me it sounds like: there is a neutrino of mass [itex]m_1[/itex], what is the probability of it having flavor [itex]f_1[/itex]? Then: There is a neutrino of flavor [itex]f_1[/itex], what is the probability of it having mass [itex]m_1[/itex]? Both of these seem to be [itex]|\langle f_1|m_1\rangle|^2[/itex]...

May I have a hint?
 
  • #6
I think that's right, actually.
 
  • #7
You think the expressions for those probabilities are both [itex]|\langle f_1 | m_1\rangle|^2[/itex]? Why would someone write a question like that... :confused:?
 
  • #8
You'll have to ask your instructor. :wink:
 
  • #9
Thanks for all your help vela :smile:
 

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