Possible webpage title: Mars and Earth Warming: Fact or Assumption?

[charmedbeauty]

Hi,

Would anyone like to critique my physics paper "The Greenhouse Effect"... it's only in draft stage but would definitely like some feedback positive or negative... not just on the material but on the overall structure as this is the first science paper I have done at university; I don't have a conclusion... do I need one? its not long only about 10 pages of writing and diagrams.

Thanks for the effort if anyone reads it... it is much appreciated.

For some reason I am having trouble uploading but I can send it in a message if anyone is interested.

 

[Bobbywhy]

charmedbeauty, Since you doubt that you need a conclusion I believe you are not yet ready to submit your paper, because you should, in my opinion, have one. May I suggest you do some "homework" on you own? Get copies of papers on "The Greenhouse Effect" from professional journals. Read them carefully, then OUTLINE them. This means you end up with the "ingredients" of a properly written paper; that is, a list of all the sections and what they contain: Abstract, Introduction, Methods, etc. Once you have this list you can use it as a guide for writing your own paper. Once you have a first draft do not rush out and ask for someone's opinion. Wait 24 hours or 48 and then revise it again. Then, your student advisor or other qualified person at your university might review it for you.

 

[berkeman]

charmedbeauty, Since you doubt that you need a conclusion I believe you are not yet ready to submit your paper, because you should, in my opinion, have one. May I suggest you do some "homework" on you own? Get copies of papers on "The Greenhouse Effect" from professional journals. Read them carefully, then OUTLINE them. This means you end up with the "ingredients" of a properly written paper; that is, a list of all the sections and what they contain: Abstract, Introduction, Methods, etc. Once you have this list you can use it as a guide for writing your own paper. Once you have a first draft do not rush out and ask for someone's opinion. Wait 24 hours or 48 and then revise it again. Then, your student advisor or other qualified person at your university might review it for you.

It looks like he has been doing a fair amount of reading and research:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=608821

@charmedbeauty -- can you maybe upload it to a file sharing website and post a link here?

 

[Bobbywhy]

It looks like he has been doing a fair amount of reading and research:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=608821

@charmedbeauty -- can you maybe upload it to a file sharing website and post a link here?

Thanks, berkeman, I had no clue what charmed beauty had been up to already here on PF!

 

[charmedbeauty]

It looks like he has been doing a fair amount of reading and research:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=608821

@charmedbeauty -- can you maybe upload it to a file sharing website and post a link here?

Thanks here is the link here.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f50ugyzwv9l1mqx/greenhouse effect finale 123.odt

Thanks for taking the time to read. CHEERS!

 

[mfb]

Please introduce abbreviations. I can identify GHG as green house gases in the abstract, but it is not a good style to use them like this.

The speculation that Mars has been warming from increased solar irradiance and that Earth is warming under the same mechanisms; the data that suggests this is shown to based on very large assumptions.

The grammatical structure here looks strange to me.

the decrease in solar irradiance over this period

Which period? You did not specify any before.

A greenhouse functions in relatively simple way; letting energy in the form of visible light in whilst the air captures some of the infrared radiation which is emitted from the surface

The air, or the glass?

As it is a draft, I assume that the references will get the usual style later.
Look for a native speaker to check the language.

The introduction contains a lot of blah-blah without being specific.
I did not read the main part - it is not my area of work, and it is a big wall of text.

The paper should have a conclusions-section.

 

[Naty1]

I could not download your paper so am not sure about what aspects you write.

I use these sources for analysis of actual data versus climate models:

http://www.c3headlines.com/bad-predictions-failed.html

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10136&page=15You can find US climate change information at this NASA site:

http://climate.nasa.gov/ If you'd like some interesting report links, send me a private message. I don't want to get in trouble again for discussing climate change issues...for some reason this is a sensitive topic in these forums.

 

[berkeman]

...for some reason this is a sensitive topic in these forums.

The Rules link pretty much says it all:

*Closed due to the disproportionate time required to moderate this topic.*

Global Warming and or Climate Change

We just don't have the subject expertise at the Mentor level to be able to moderate scientific discussions on climate change. We wish we did, but we don't. We wouldn't be able to have a Nuclear Engineering forum without Astronuc, for example, so this is a similar situation. Hopefully that helps to explain it.

 

[charmedbeauty]

Please introduce abbreviations. I can identify GHG as green house gases in the abstract, but it is not a good style to use them like this.


The grammatical structure here looks strange to me.


Which period? You did not specify any before.


The air, or the glass?

As it is a draft, I assume that the references will get the usual style later.
Look for a native speaker to check the language.

The introduction contains a lot of blah-blah without being specific.
I did not read the main part - it is not my area of work, and it is a big wall of text.

The paper should have a conclusions-section.

Thanks I shall make some necessary changes.

 

[charmedbeauty]

I could not download your paper so am not sure about what aspects you write.

I use these sources for analysis of actual data versus climate models:

http://www.c3headlines.com/bad-predictions-failed.html

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10136&page=15


You can find US climate change information at this NASA site:

http://climate.nasa.gov/


If you'd like some interesting report links, send me a private message. I don't want to get in trouble again for discussing climate change issues...for some reason this is a sensitive topic in these forums.

Thanks Naty... do you know if http://www.c3headlines.com/bad-predictions-failed.html is a legitimate site?

 

[charmedbeauty]

Please introduce abbreviations. I can identify GHG as green house gases in the abstract, but it is not a good style to use them like this.


The grammatical structure here looks strange to me.

What other abbreviations have been used... do I need to define mechanisms?
Could you explain further why the grammatical structure looks strange?

 

[mfb]

What other abbreviations have been used

I didn't see any, and wrote the quoted line based on the abstract only.

... do I need to define mechanisms?

If they are really well-known in the field, probably not.

Could you explain further why the grammatical structure looks strange?

Original:

The speculation that Mars has been warming from increased solar irradiance and that Earth is warming under the same mechanisms; the data that suggests this is shown to based on very large assumptions.

Now with some parts simplified:
"The speculation that Mars has been warming and that Earth is warming; the data that suggests this is shown to based on assumptions."
Even more simplified:
"The speculation that Mars has been warming; the data is shown to based on assumptions."
What does the first part tell me? And I would expect a "be" before "based" in the second part.

 

[charmedbeauty]

I didn't see any, and wrote the quoted line based on the abstract only.


If they are really well-known in the field, probably not.



Original:

Now with some parts simplified:
"The speculation that Mars has been warming and that Earth is warming; the data that suggests this is shown to based on assumptions."
Even more simplified:
"The speculation that Mars has been warming; the data is shown to based on assumptions."
What does the first part tell me? And I would expect a "be" before "based" in the second part.

Ok so are you saying I should keep it more simplified??
Thanks.