Is Matter Following Rules to Create Us? - Tell Me What You Think

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In summary: In that book Spencer-Brown postulates that there are mathematical principles which govern the formation of all physical reality. While these principles are not known to us, they may well be the rules which govern the formation of all physical reality.
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Is it possible that we are the result of matter which follows a certain set of rules?
 
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Yes it is possible.
 
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Where did the matter and the rules come from?
 
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does it matter?
 
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Debaser said:
Is it possible that we are the result of matter which follows a certain set of rules?
It is not possible. No set of rules exists which can account for all phenomena not yet observed, no matter how good those rules are at explaining phenomena already observed.
 
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confutatis said:
It is not possible. No set of rules exists which can account for all phenomena not yet observed, no matter how good those rules are at explaining phenomena already observed.

He didn't say the rules were known. The as yet unknown phenomena could be the result of as yet unknown rules, in coordination with those already known.
 
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As yet unknown phenomena? If we don't know the phenomena, why should we be expected to explain it? Of course it's possible that man arose simply as the result of material interactions. I'm not saying that's what happened, but how can you exclude the possibility?
 
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confutatis said:
It is not possible. No set of rules exists which can account for all phenomena not yet observed, no matter how good those rules are at explaining phenomena already observed.

Rules exist for a set of phenomena not yet observed. One, those phenomena not YET observed still occur without our knowledge of them. They occur according to a certain natural law the exists whether or not we notice its existence. that is why we discover new laws; they are pre-existing.
 
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From what scientists know so far, it is possible that we are merely matter destined to follow rules. However, within these rules there is a lot uncertainty (I mean at a Quantum level) as to the exact positioning of particles etc. that cannot be resolved.
 
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Alliance said:
From what scientists know so far, it is possible that we are merely matter destined to follow rules. However, within these rules there is a lot uncertainty (I mean at a Quantum level) as to the exact positioning of particles etc. that cannot be resolved.
i believe that we have agreed to follow certain rules within the physical. i suspect, however, that they are not the rules that we consider scientific. rather that we agree to include the physical laws within our starting point.

is there really chaos at the QM level?? what if, rather than chaos we see all probabilities to an event? is that chaos? once again, the viewer or actor actualizes the perceived event. untangling, as it were, all the probable threads into a chronologically understandable reality.

while viewing, we introduce all our individual biases and expectations to see the thread of our choosing.

love & peace,
olde drunk
 
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confutatis said:
It is not possible. No set of rules exists which can account for all phenomena not yet observed, no matter how good those rules are at explaining phenomena already observed.
Actually that isn't quite true. Have you read 'The Laws of Form' by mathematician George Spencer-Brown?
 

1. What is the concept of matter following rules to create us?

The concept of matter following rules to create us refers to the idea that the physical matter in the universe is governed by certain laws and principles that ultimately give rise to the complexity of life forms, including humans. This includes the fundamental forces of nature such as gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces, as well as the laws of thermodynamics and the principles of chemistry.

2. How do these rules and laws govern the creation of living beings?

The rules and laws of the universe dictate the behavior and interactions of matter at the atomic and molecular level, which ultimately leads to the formation of complex structures and systems necessary for life. These laws also govern the processes of evolution and natural selection, which drive the diversity of life forms on Earth.

3. Are there any exceptions to these rules and laws?

While the laws and principles of the universe are generally consistent and predictable, there may be some exceptions or variations in certain circumstances. For example, quantum mechanics allows for some uncertainty and randomness at the subatomic level, and the theory of relativity explains the behavior of matter at extremely high speeds or in the presence of strong gravitational fields.

4. How do scientists study and understand these rules and laws?

Scientists use a variety of methods and tools, including mathematics, experimentation, and observation, to study and understand the rules and laws that govern the behavior of matter in the universe. This includes conducting experiments in controlled environments, creating mathematical models, and making observations of natural phenomena.

5. What are the implications of matter following rules to create us?

The implications of matter following rules to create us are vast and have implications for various fields such as biology, physics, chemistry, and philosophy. It helps us understand the fundamental nature of our existence and the interconnectedness of all living and non-living things. It also allows us to make predictions and advancements in technology, medicine, and other areas of human life.

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