Physics and mathematical hyperoperations above exponentiation

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of tetration and higher order hyperoperations in modeling physical processes. The speaker believes that exponentiation is sufficient for most cases, and that the language of physics revolves around group structures and the exponential map. They suggest that this is due to the associative nature of actions on systems. While non-associative structures have been explored in theoretical mathematics, it is unlikely that tetration would have practical applications in physics.
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The question is whether any physical process requires tetration, pentation, or any hyperoperation above the level of exponentiation, in order to be modeled.
I personally don't know of any physical process that can't be modeled without need for tetration or higher order hyperoperations. In my own experience, exponentiation suffices. Does anyone else know about a physical process that can't be well-modeled unless tetration is used in the math?
 
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I seriously doubt any significant physics will require anything beyond exponentiation. More and more the language of physics has centered around group structure, specifically the Lie groups representing symmetries or dynamical transformations. These utilize the exponential map to translate the parameters (time Lie algebra generators) to the group actions.

Periodic behavior and exponential growth/decay can both be seen to arise within this group context.

This emerges, I believe, because we work in a paradigm of actions on systems which is fundamentally associative (it is built into the semantics of composition of actions). As such they can be iterated in a group structure and that iteration is parameterized by an exponential map. Iterating the actual power operation is horribly non-associative (a^b)^c != a^(b^c) and so doesn't reflect the kind of thing we iterate as an action.

While I've played with some possible application of non-associative product structures in theoretical mathematics (exotic particle statistics) it would be a stretch to find an application of e.g. tetration there. Maybe not impossible though, some wild combinatorics application?
 

Related to Physics and mathematical hyperoperations above exponentiation

1. What are hyperoperations?

Hyperoperations are a series of mathematical operations that go beyond the usual addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. They involve repeated application of a basic operation, such as addition or multiplication, to a set of numbers.

2. What is the significance of hyperoperations in physics?

Hyperoperations are important in physics because they help us understand the behavior of physical systems at different scales. They can be used to model complex phenomena and make predictions about how systems will behave under certain conditions.

3. How do hyperoperations relate to exponentiation?

Hyperoperations are a generalization of exponentiation, which is the repeated multiplication of a number by itself. In hyperoperations, the basic operation is applied multiple times, such as in tetration (repeated exponentiation) or pentation (repeated tetration).

4. Can hyperoperations be applied to non-integer numbers?

Yes, hyperoperations can be extended to include non-integer numbers, such as fractions or irrational numbers. This allows for a more comprehensive understanding of mathematical operations and their applications in physics.

5. What are some real-world examples of hyperoperations?

Hyperoperations can be seen in various physical phenomena, such as population growth, radioactive decay, and chemical reactions. They can also be used in computer algorithms and cryptography to generate large numbers and solve complex problems.

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