Perfectly inelastic collision - energies

In summary, the conversation is discussing the minimum kinetic energy required for an electron to excite an atom in its ground state. The formula for this minimum kinetic energy is K_{initial} = \frac{(M+m_e)E}{M} and the associated minimum kinetic speed is v_{0min} = \sqrt{\frac{2K_{initial}}{m_e}}. The correct formula for the final kinetic energy is KE_{final}=1/2 (\frac{m_e*v_0}{m_e +M})^2, and the final equation should be KE_{initial} = \frac{E(M+m_e)}{M}.
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Homework Statement


An atom of mass M is initially at rest in its ground state. A moving (nonrelativistic) electron of mass [tex]m_e[/tex] collides with the atom. The atom+electron system can exist in an 'excited state' in which the electron is absorbed into the atom. The excited state has an extra 'internal' energy E relative to the atom's ground state.

Homework Equations


Show that the minimum kinetic energy [tex]K_{initial}[/tex] that the electron must have in order to excite the atom is given as:
[tex]K_{initial} = \frac{(M+m_e)E}{M}[/tex] and derive a formula for the associated minimum kinetic speed [tex]v_{0min}[/tex]

3. Additional information
From conservation of momentum [tex]v_{final} = \frac{m_e v_0}{m_e +M}[/tex] and so [tex]KE_{final}=1/2 \frac{(m_e*v_0)^2}{m_e +M}[/tex]
which can be written [tex]KE_{final}=\frac{K_{initial}}{M+m_e}[/tex]
4. The attempt at a solution

[tex]minimum KE_{initial} = KE_{final}+ E = \frac{KE_{initial}}{M+m_e} + E[/tex]
so [tex]KE_{initial}(1-1/(M+m_e))= E [/tex]
[tex]KE_{initial} = \frac{E}{1-1/(M+m_e)}[/tex]

which is different from the correct answer.
What am I doing wrong?
 
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kapitan90 said:
From conservation of momentum [tex]v_{final} = \frac{m_e v_0}{m_e +M}[/tex] and so [tex]KE_{final}=1/2 \frac{(m_e*v_0)^2}{m_e +M}[/tex]
which can be written [tex]KE_{final}=\frac{K_{initial}}{M+m_e}[/tex]
Check that last equation.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
Check that last equation.

I got the mistake, the answer should be:
[tex]KE_{final}=1/2 (\frac{m_e*v_0}{m_e +M})^2[/tex]
which can be written [tex]KE_{final}=\frac{K_{initial}m_e}{M+m_e}[/tex]
Hence
[tex]minimum KE_{initial} = KE_{final}+ E = \frac{K_{initial}m_e}{M+m_e} + E[/tex]
so [tex]KE_{initial}(1-{m_e}/(M+m_e))= E [/tex]
[tex]KE_{initial} = \frac{E(M+m_e)}{M}[/tex]

Thank you for your reply!
 

Related to Perfectly inelastic collision - energies

1. What is a perfectly inelastic collision?

A perfectly inelastic collision is a type of collision where two objects stick together after the collision and move together as one object. In this type of collision, the kinetic energy is not conserved and is converted into other forms of energy, such as heat or sound.

2. How is the total energy conserved in a perfectly inelastic collision?

In a perfectly inelastic collision, the total energy is conserved as the sum of the kinetic energy and the potential energy remains constant. However, the kinetic energy of the system decreases due to the conversion of energy into other forms.

3. Can you provide an example of a perfectly inelastic collision?

A common example of a perfectly inelastic collision is when a bullet hits a wooden block and becomes embedded into the block. The bullet and the block then move together as one object, and the kinetic energy of the bullet is converted into other forms of energy.

4. How is the coefficient of restitution related to perfectly inelastic collisions?

The coefficient of restitution is a measure of how much kinetic energy is retained after a collision. In a perfectly inelastic collision, the coefficient of restitution is zero, as the objects stick together and there is no rebound or change in shape.

5. What are some real-world applications of perfectly inelastic collisions?

Perfectly inelastic collisions are commonly seen in car accidents, where the cars stick together after the collision. They are also used in sports, such as billiards, where the goal is to hit and stick the cue ball to another ball. In industries, perfectly inelastic collisions can be used to bond materials together, such as in welding processes.

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