Obtain simultaneous eigenfunctions?

In summary: The operator ##\hat{x}## is not compatible with ##\hat{p}##.In summary, the conversation discusses the compatibility of two observables, H (hamiltonian) and P (momentum), and how this is related to their operators commuting. The conversation also mentions the concept of simultaneous eigenfunctions and how they would look like for H and P. It is also mentioned that the spectrum cannot be continuous if the eigenfunctions are equivalent. Additionally, the conversation touches on how the eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian operator may also depend on the position operator, which leads to the conclusion that the position and momentum operators are not compatible.
  • #1
John Greger
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Let's consider two observables, H (hamiltonian) and P (momentum).

These operators are compatible since [H,P] = 0.

Let's look at the easy to prove rule:
1: "If the observables F and G are compatible, that is, if there exists a simultaneous set of eigenfunctions of the operators F and G, then these operators must commute; [F , G] = 0."

This can be turned around to yield,
2: " If the operators F and G commute, then it is possible to find a simultaneous set of eigenfunctions."

How would the simultaneous eigenfunctions look like for H and P? Would it be something on matrix form?

Or is the following functions simply the "simultaneous eigenfunctions":

$$\hat{H} u_{n,m}(x) = E_n u_{n,m}(x)$$
$$\hat{P} u_{n,m}(x) = P_m u_{n,m}(x)$$

where ## \psi(x) = \Sigma_{n,m} C_{n,m} u_{n,m}(x)## ?

And I think the spectrum cannot be continuous right...

EDIT: How would I express a generic wave function as a superposition of the above eigenstates if they are "equivalent"?
 
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If you have a 1d free particle, the eigenfunctions of ##\hat{p}## are like ##Ae^{ikx}## with ##A## and ##k## some real-valued constants. These are all eigenfunctions of ##\hat{H}##. The set of eigenfunctions of ##\hat{H}## also contains functions like ##Ae^{ikx} + Be^{-ikx}## which are not eigenfunctions of ##\hat{p}## because the sign of the 1d momentum is uncertain.

If you have a Hamiltonian operator that also depends on position ##\hat{x}## , then the ##\hat{H}## and ##\hat{p}## will not commute.
 

Related to Obtain simultaneous eigenfunctions?

1. What are simultaneous eigenfunctions?

Simultaneous eigenfunctions refer to a set of functions that share the same eigenvalues for a given operator. These functions are used to solve equations in quantum mechanics and other areas of physics.

2. How do you obtain simultaneous eigenfunctions?

To obtain simultaneous eigenfunctions, you must first determine the eigenvalues of the operator for which you are looking for eigenfunctions. Then, you can use various mathematical techniques, such as the Gram-Schmidt process or the power method, to find the corresponding eigenfunctions.

3. What is the importance of obtaining simultaneous eigenfunctions?

Obtaining simultaneous eigenfunctions is important because it allows us to solve equations involving operators and their corresponding eigenvalues. This is crucial in many areas of physics, such as quantum mechanics, where operators and eigenvalues play a significant role in understanding the behavior of particles.

4. Can simultaneous eigenfunctions be obtained for any operator?

Not all operators have simultaneous eigenfunctions. The existence of simultaneous eigenfunctions depends on the properties of the operator and the functions being considered. In some cases, it may be impossible to obtain simultaneous eigenfunctions.

5. How are simultaneous eigenfunctions used in real-world applications?

Simultaneous eigenfunctions have numerous applications in physics, chemistry, and other scientific fields. For example, in quantum mechanics, they are used to describe the energy states of particles in a system. In chemistry, simultaneous eigenfunctions are used to determine the electronic structure of molecules. They also have practical applications in data analysis and signal processing.

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