Observed Redshift from Moving Source: Deriving the Result

In summary, the observed redshift of a galaxy is the product of two factors: the doppler redshift caused by the peculiar motion of the galaxy and the cosmological redshift caused by the expanding universe. This relationship can be derived by considering the four-velocity of the galaxy and an observer attached to the galaxy, as well as the constraints that both velocities are normalized and the photon's energy is conserved. In GR, the observed frequency of an electromagnetic wave is given by the four-velocity of the observer and the wave-four-vector. In a static spacetime, the photon's energy is conserved, leading to the familiar gravitational redshift. However, FRW spacetime is not static and requires a different approach, which can be found
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If a galaxy is receding from us, then the 1+redshift observed on Earth is the product ##(1+z_{pec})(1+z_{cosm})## of the doppler redshift due to the peculiar motion of the galaxy and the cosmological redshift due to the FRW metric. It makes sense if we think about some intermediate observers (e.g. someone stationary w.r.t. hubble flow but at the same position instantaneously as the emitting galaxy, who measures the doppler part only). Could someone show me how to derive the result from the general definitions? i.e. the galaxy has some 4-velocity ##u_{gal} = (u_{gal}^t, u_{gal}^r, 0,0)##, and an observer attached to the galaxy measures\begin{align*}
\omega_{em} = u_{gal} \cdot p = u_{gal}^t p^t - \frac{a^2}{1-Kr^2} u_{gal}^r p^r
\end{align*}where ##p## is the photon 4-momn. And the earth observer measures ##\omega_{obs} = u_{earth}^t p^t##. The constraints are that both 4-velocities are normalised to ##u \cdot u = 1##, and ##p^t = E## is conserved along the photon's path. That isn't enough constraits to derive the result, I think?
 
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All we can observe in GR is expressed by local invariant quantities. Indeed the observed frequency of an electromagnetic wave is ##\omega=u \cdot k##, where ##u## is the four-velocity of the observer and ##k## the wave-four-vector of the em. wave. For more about electrodynamics in GR, see

https://itp.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/pf-faq/gr-edyn.pdf
 
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ergospherical said:
##p^t = E## is conserved along the photon's path.
Are you sure? Remember cosmological redshift.
 
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In a static spacetime, i.e., if there are coordinates, for which the ##g_{\mu \nu}## are independent of the time coordinate, then ##p_t## is conserved along the "photon's" path.

Take Schwarzschild spacetime,
$$L=\frac{1}{2} [(1-2m/r) \dot{t}^2 - (1-2m/r)^{-1} \dot{r}^2 - r^2 (\dot{\vartheta}^2+\sin^2 \vartheta \dot{\varphi}^2).$$
For an observer "at rest", observing light from a source "at rest", indeed all you need to know is that
$$p_t=\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{t}}=(1-2m/r) \dot{t}.$$
From this you get
The four-velocity of the observer at rest is
$$u_{\text{obs}}^{\mu}=(1-2m/r_{\text{obs}})^{-1/2}(1,0,0,0).$$
Then
$$\omega_{\text{obs}}=p_t u_{\text{obs}}^t=p_t (1-2m/r_{\text{obs}})^{-1/2}.$$
For the frequency at the source you get
$$\omega_{\text{source}}=p_t u_{\text{source}}^t=(1-2m/r_{\text{source}})^{-1/2},$$
i.e.,
$$\omega_{\text{obs}}=\sqrt{\frac{1-2m/r_{\text{source}}}{1-2m/r_{\text{obs}}}} \omega_{\text{source}},$$
which describes (for ##r_{\text{source}}<r_{\text{obs}}##) the gravitational redshift.
 
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vanhees71 said:
In a static spacetime
Which FRW spacetime is not.
 

1. What is observed redshift from a moving source?

Observed redshift from a moving source refers to the phenomenon where the light emitted from an object appears to have a longer wavelength, resulting in a shift towards the red end of the electromagnetic spectrum. This is due to the object moving away from the observer, causing the light waves to stretch out.

2. How is the observed redshift calculated?

The observed redshift is calculated by taking the difference between the observed wavelength of the light and the rest wavelength of the light, and then dividing it by the rest wavelength. The resulting value is known as the redshift z.

3. What is the significance of observed redshift in astronomy?

Observed redshift is a crucial tool in astronomy as it provides information about the distance and velocity of celestial objects. The greater the redshift, the further away and faster the object is moving. This allows scientists to study the expansion of the universe and the movements of galaxies.

4. Can observed redshift be used to determine the age of the universe?

Yes, observed redshift is used in conjunction with other methods to determine the age of the universe. By measuring the redshift of distant objects and using the known rate of expansion of the universe, scientists can estimate the age of the universe to be around 13.8 billion years.

5. What are some limitations of using observed redshift in astronomy?

One limitation of using observed redshift is that it can only provide information about the relative motion of celestial objects, not their absolute motion. Additionally, the redshift may be affected by other factors such as the gravitational pull of nearby objects, making it difficult to accurately determine the distance and velocity of an object.

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