Newton's laws in polar coordinates

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of polar coordinate system to describe the position of an object using two vectors: r, from the origin to the object, and Φ, perpendicular to r in the direction of rotation. The conversation also talks about the definition of a vector and its derivative, as well as the use of unit vectors in expressing change in direction. The process of finding the derivative of position and the substitution of the derivative into the original formula are also mentioned. There is also a discussion on the use of generalized coordinates and how they affect the coordinate basis and basis vectors.
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MikeN232
I need explanation of these formulas for polar coordinate system where position of an object is characterized by 2 vectors: r - from the origin to the object, and Φ - perpendicular to r, in the direction of rotation.
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The 1st one is how we define a vector: product of magnitude by unit vector (which gives a direction), clear;
the 2nd we try to express change in unit vector, which can only change direction = angle of rotation, but why we multiply it then by unit vector Φ, and why ≈ ? Need explanation;
the 3rd we found derivative of position with respect to time;
the 4th, differentiated the 1st formula;
the 5th, substituted 3 into 4;
the 7th, differentiated it for the second time to find acceleration and here we need derivative of unit vector Φ;
8 found derivative of unit vector Φ; how they did it and why unit vector r is here? Need explanation.
9,10 substituted Φ, found acceleration
 
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There seem to be something wrong with the upload of your pictures. Perhaps you should try to type them rather than to upload it.
 
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The link works. Let's do the calculation in more detail. First you define your generalized coordinates by expressing the Cartesian components in terms of these generalized coordinates. For polar coordinates, it's
$$\vec{x}=\vv{r \cos \phi}{r \sin \phi}.$$
The coordinate basis (holonomous basis) is given by the tangents of the coordinate lines, i.e.,
$$\vec{b}_r=\frac{\partial \vec{x}}{\partial r}=\vv{\cos \phi}{\sin \phi}, \quad \vec{b}_{\phi} = \frac{\partial \vec{x}}{\partial \phi} = r \vv{-\sin \phi}{\cos \phi}.$$
Now you see that these basis vectors are everywhere perpendicular to each other, where the coordinates are well defined (i.e., for ##\vec{x} \neq 0##):
$$\vec{b}_r \cdot \vec{b}_{\phi}=0.$$
Then it is usual and convenient to use a normalized basis. Then you have a Cartesian coordinate system in any point, but it depends on the point (i.e., it's a function of the generalized coordinates). Here you have
$$\vec{e}_r=\vec{b}_r=\vv{\cos \phi}{\sin \phi}, \quad \vec{b}_{\phi} = \frac{1}{r} \vec{b}_{\phi}=\vv{-\sin \phi}{\cos \phi}.$$
Now you describe the trajectory by making ##r=r(t)## and ##\phi=\phi(t)##. Then you get
$$\vec{x}(t)=r(t) \vec{e}_r(t).$$
It is important to keep in mind that through the dependence of the basis vectors ##\vec{e}_r## and ##\vec{e}_{\phi}## on the generalized coordinates, these also become time dependent, i.e., you have to take also time derivative of those, and not only for the components. Using the product rule you get
$$\vec{v}=\dot{\vec{x}}=\dot{r} \vec{e}_r + r \dot{\vec{e}}_{r}.$$
Now we have (using the chain rule)
$$\dot{\vec{e}}_r=\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} \vv{\cos \phi}{\sin \phi}=\dot \phi \vv{-\sin \phi}{\cos \phi}=\dot{\phi} \vec{e}_{\phi},$$
and thus
$$\vec{v}=\dot{r} \vec{e}_r + r \dot{\phi} \vec{e}_{\phi}.$$
Now, you should try to use this method to also calculate ##\vec{a}=\dot{\vec{v}}## yourself!
 

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1. What are Newton's laws in polar coordinates?

Newton's laws in polar coordinates are a set of three laws that describe the motion of an object in a two-dimensional polar coordinate system. These laws are an adaptation of Newton's laws of motion for the polar coordinate system, which is commonly used to describe circular and rotational motion.

2. What is the first law of motion in polar coordinates?

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3. How is the second law of motion applied in polar coordinates?

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4. What is the third law of motion in polar coordinates?

The third law of motion in polar coordinates states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. This means that when an object exerts a force on another object, the second object will exert an equal and opposite force on the first object. In polar coordinates, this is described in terms of radial and tangential forces.

5. How are Newton's laws used to analyze motion in polar coordinates?

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