Need:150cfm blower to pump pressurized (~40bar) H2 with delta P ~5bar

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In summary, the conversation revolved around finding a blower that could handle pressurized H2 at a pressure increase of 5bar and a flow of 150cfm. The H2 is already pressurized and only a pressure increase of 1bar is needed. It was suggested to contact New York Blower for a custom design or consider a compressor instead. The energy required for this process is estimated to be 12 hp. The speaker also mentioned other options such as centrifugal compressors or reciprocating machines, but noted that special precautions must be taken with hydrogen gas. It was advised to contact manufacturers that specialize in custom machines for this specific application.
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Folks,

I am looking for a blower to produce a flow of ~150cfm (~4m^3/min) while pumping H2 pressurized at ~40bar. The blower needs to provide a pressure increase of ~5bar.

I am wondering if something like a supercharger blower might work.
 
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Is the H2 already pressurized or are you looking for the blower to pressurize it? If the H2 is already pressurized, what pressure rise do you need across the blower?

This is a very non-standard application for a "blower", so you may have some difficulty finding something to meet your needs...
 
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The H2 is already pressurized. In reevaluation, I have determined that only about 1bar of pressure rise is needed across the blower.

Thanks for your help!
 
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Oh, sorry, missed that you already had the pressure rise listed...

One of the best industrial blower companies is New York Blower. Their highest pressure blower is good to about 0.3 bar dP. You can try calling them to see if they can custom design one for you, but otherwise, you may need to find a compressor instead of a blower.

Either way, this will require a huge amount of energy. May I ask what the purpose is?
 
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Power required for h2, 70 F, 150 ACFM, 40 barg inlet, 41 barg outlet, 80% isentropic efficiency is about 12 hp.

Problem you've probably already come up against is that there aren't any off-the-shelf machines like this. Pressure is relatively high. The pressure ratio is fine, but the 40 bar part is going to make it a real odd-ball. A conventional blower manufacturer isn't going to touch this.

Centrifugal compressors can be made to handle higher pressures. And recips could easily be made to do this service. Another attractive option is a diaphragm machine because it has no dynamic seals. If this is for a process that runs non-stop, then consider a custom made centrifugal. If the process duty is intermittent or will only be used for a year or two and then dismantled, consider a diaphragm machine or a recip. The recip is going to be a less expensive option but with seal issues. Either way, hydrogen will need to be captured as it gets past the seals on a centrifugal or recip. That gas must be routed to a vent stack or possibly to some location where it can be compressed and put back into the process.

I suspect you won't find anything 'off-the-shelf' in a centrifugal. If that's what you're after, you'll need to contact manufacturers that do 1-off machines such as http://www.airproducts.com/Products/Equipment/CryoMachinery/default.htm" . You'll need to call them or email your needs. If you consider a diaphragm or recip machine, consider using a triplex to even out the pulsating flow of a single cylinder. There, I'd suggest RIX, Greenfield, PDC, Burton Corblin, lots of others.
 
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Related to Need:150cfm blower to pump pressurized (~40bar) H2 with delta P ~5bar

1. What is the purpose of a 150cfm blower in this scenario?

A 150cfm blower is needed to provide enough airflow to pump the highly pressurized hydrogen gas through the system. This ensures that there is enough volume and pressure to move the gas efficiently.

2. What is the significance of the pressure and delta P in this process?

The pressure and delta P, or pressure difference, are crucial in maintaining the flow of the hydrogen gas. The high pressure of 40bar helps to push the gas through the system, while the delta P of 5bar allows for a controlled and steady flow.

3. How is the blower able to handle such high pressures?

The blower is designed to withstand high pressures and is equipped with a powerful motor and impeller to generate the necessary airflow. It is also made with durable materials that can handle the corrosive properties of hydrogen gas.

4. Can any blower be used for this process?

No, not all blowers are capable of handling the high pressure and flow rate required for pumping pressurized hydrogen gas. It is important to select a blower specifically designed for this purpose to ensure safe and efficient operation.

5. What safety precautions should be taken when using a blower for this process?

When working with pressurized hydrogen gas, it is important to follow all safety protocols, including wearing appropriate protective gear and ensuring proper ventilation. It is also crucial to regularly inspect and maintain the blower to prevent any potential hazards.

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