Natural constants: are they irrational numbers?

In summary, most of our natural constants, such as gravity constant and Planck's constant, are considered irrational numbers due to the infinite number of irrational numbers compared to rational numbers. However, there are exceptions, such as the speed of light, which is an integer due to our unit definition. As for dimensionless physical constants, their values are determined through measurement with possible error, making the question of their rationality meaningless.
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Do we have at present any knowledge whether our natural constants (gravity constant, Planck's constant, ...) are rational or irrational numbers?

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Trinitiet
 
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They are mostly irrational. The reason for that is simple. There are infinitely many more irrational number than rational. Probability of a completely random number being rational is zero. If you choose arbitrary measurement unit and measure a physical quantity, it will be irrational.

Exceptions are things like speed of light. Since we defined our distance unit so that speed of light is exactly 299,792,458m/s, it is actually an integer. But it's because we defined the unit after the physical quantity.
 
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regarding the dimensionful physical constants, it's a meaningless question. as you can see with the speed of light, you can make it whatever you want it to be by the definition of units you choose to express length and time with.

with the dimensionless physical constants (like the fine-structure constant), those values are meaningful, but if they are truly fundamental, the only way we know their values is by measurement, which includes measurement error. within that range of values between the upper and lower standard deviations, there is a countably infinite number of rational values and an uncountably infinite number of irrational values. but that doesn't really matter. we don't know exactly what alpha is anyway.
 

Related to Natural constants: are they irrational numbers?

1. What are natural constants?

Natural constants are numerical values that are considered to be unchanging and universal in the natural world. They are often used in scientific equations and theories to describe fundamental laws and properties of the universe.

2. How do we know if a natural constant is irrational?

A natural constant is considered irrational if it cannot be expressed as a ratio of two integers. This means that the decimal representation of the constant is non-terminating and non-repeating. For example, the value of pi (π) is an irrational number because it cannot be expressed as a fraction.

3. Why are some natural constants irrational?

The irrationality of a natural constant is determined by the laws and principles of mathematics. Some constants, such as pi and the square root of 2, have been proven to be irrational through mathematical proofs. Other constants, like the fine-structure constant and the gravitational constant, are believed to be irrational based on experimental evidence and theoretical calculations.

4. How do irrational natural constants affect scientific calculations?

Because irrational natural constants cannot be expressed as a precise numerical value, they can introduce a margin of error in scientific calculations. However, this margin of error is often very small and may not significantly impact the overall accuracy of the calculation.

5. Are there any practical applications for irrational natural constants?

Yes, irrational natural constants play a crucial role in many scientific fields, such as physics, chemistry, and engineering. They are used in equations to describe and predict natural phenomena, and they provide a deeper understanding of the fundamental laws of the universe. Without irrational natural constants, many scientific theories and advancements would not be possible.

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