Is the atomic structure correct

In summary, the conversation discusses the string theory and its attempt to unify forces. The speaker proposes an alternative atomic model where the positive and negative charges are evenly distributed, but this is refuted by known scientific evidence. The existence of weak and strong nuclear forces is explained and the necessity for their inclusion in the atomic model is discussed. The conversation ends with the speaker seeking more information about nuclear forces.
  • #1
magus
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ive recently been reading about the string theory and
of course learned that it is attempting to unify the forces.
for a while now i have had an idea that its unlikely that
matter could actually have multiple quantum forces and by
eliminating two potentially unnessecary forces (weak and strong
nuclear forces)leaving electromagnet force (simple plus and negative)
and einstiens conception of gravity might make this unification
simpler... my reasoning for this is that maybe the atom is not
structured like the typical conception... (proton,nuetron center,
electron cloud)... take light photons for example, it is nuetral
until a higher energy particle collides with it then it breaks into
two oppositely charged particles. this little fact is what provoked my
idea... maybe the atom is actually just positive and negatively charged particles that are not structured as typically thought however they are intertwined, (nuetrons are just the fusion of the two particles). if atoms are indeed structured by an evenly distribution of particles then this hypothisezed "nuclear force" would not be nessecary would it? this is just a little idea i had and would like if anyone reading this could input there idea and other facts or problems with this because i would like to have this idea thouroughly discussed.. maybe someone can give me some ideas..

thanks to those who respond.
 
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  • #2
You seem to be describing something roughly like Thompson's "plum pudding" model of the atom (an amorphous blob of positive charge with some negative charges strewn throughout). But we have known since Rutherford's scattering experiments that the positive charges in an atom are concentrated into a very small space in the center of the atom, not evenly distributed throughout. For that matter, we are able to isolate nuclei in the laboratory and study them. In accelerators we can study the strong and weak nuclear interactions between individual particles, too, and they do not behave like the electromagnetic force. Finally, we have extremely detailed measurements of the shape of the nucleus and of the electronic orbitals around it.

I'm sorry to say it, but your kind of atomic model has not been tenable for about a hundred years.
 
  • #3
I would add that weak and strong forces were invented precisely because there was no other way of describing certain experiments.

For instance, if there existed only gravity and electromagnetism, why would a neutron decay into a proton, an electron and an antineutrino (which all isolated neutrons do after some minutes) since, in that case, the only two forces among electron and proton would be atractive?

As Ambitwistor mentioned, the behavior of the strong and weak interactions has been well measured, and the model we have for them works beautifully up to the accuracy we can reach today in accellerators.

String theory (or any other attempt at grand unification) needs to reproduce this structure (i.e., four distinct forces in this range of energies).
 
  • #4
thx

well thanks for the info... I am still in high school and just had an idea
and figured that you all could give me a push in some direction. do you have any info on nuclear forces that i could enllighten myself with.
 
  • #5


Unfortunately, there is a real lack of non-technical information on the nuclear forces. I suppose your best bet is just to piece things together from whatever you can find on Google.
 
  • #7
k thx. I am about to search
 
  • #8
one more question

"For instance, if there existed only gravity and electromagnetism, why would a neutron decay into a proton" --arkron

could it be possible that nuetrons and nuetrinos only decay due to high energy inercourses?
 
  • #9
example of previous question

forgot to put this on my reply... light photons break down like this?
 
  • #10


Originally posted by magus
could it be possible that nuetrons and nuetrinos only decay due to high energy inercourses?

What does that mean?

Neutrons decay at rest, without being accelerated to high energies or anything, and without interacting with any other high-energy particles. Neutrinos do not decay, as far as we know. (Neither do photons.)
 
  • #11
ok, I am put to rest
 

1. What is the atomic structure?

The atomic structure refers to the arrangement of particles within an atom. It consists of a central nucleus, which contains protons and neutrons, surrounded by electrons in orbitals or energy levels.

2. How was the atomic structure discovered?

The atomic structure was discovered through a series of experiments by scientists such as Ernest Rutherford, Niels Bohr, and James Chadwick in the early 20th century. These experiments involved studying the behavior of particles and radiation emitted by atoms.

3. Is the atomic structure accurate?

The atomic structure is constantly being refined and improved upon as new scientific discoveries are made. However, the current model, known as the Bohr model, has been widely accepted and has been able to accurately explain many different properties and behaviors of atoms.

4. What evidence supports the atomic structure?

There is a vast amount of evidence that supports the atomic structure, including experiments with subatomic particles, spectroscopy, and the observation of chemical reactions. Additionally, advancements in technology such as scanning electron microscopes have allowed us to directly observe atoms and their structure.

5. Can the atomic structure change?

The atomic structure can change under certain circumstances, such as during nuclear reactions or when atoms are ionized. However, the fundamental structure of atoms, with a nucleus and orbiting electrons, remains consistent.

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