Maximum extension of a spring on an inclined plane

In summary: That's what @haruspex is trying to tell you.In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving a block on an incline, connected to a spring, and the final elongation of the spring when the block stops moving. The forces involved are gravity, spring force, and friction, and the work-energy theorem is applied to find the final position of the block. However, the question is ambiguous and it is unclear whether "stops moving" refers to the moment when the block first comes to a halt or when it stops completely. Taking into account the oscillation of the system, it is determined that the forces are not in balance and the block will continue to move after initially coming to a halt.
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Homework Statement



A block of mass ##M = 1 kg## is placed of a fixed rough incline of inclination

##\theta=sin^{-1} \frac{7}{10}## and coefficient of friction ##\mu=\frac{1}{\sqrt{51}}##. It is connected to a spring of spring constant 100 N/m. Initially the spring is in natural state with length = 10cm

If the block is left to move then find the final elongation in spring when block stops moving.

Take ##g= 10m/s^2##

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



The forces doing work on the block are gravity, the spring force, and friction. Initially, the velocity of the block is 0 and once the spring reaches its maximum extension, the velocity again becomes 0, hence the change in Kinetic Energy of the bock is 0. Let the maximum extension of the spring be ##X##.
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Applying the Work Energy Theorem,
$$W_{gravity}-W_{spring}-W_{friction}=\Delta K=0$$
$$mgX\sin\theta-\int_0^X kx dx-\mu mg\cos\theta X=0$$
$$mgX\sin(\sin^{-1}\dfrac{7}{10})-\dfrac{kX^2}{2}-\mu mg \cos(\sin^{-1}\dfrac{7}{10})=0$$
Putting in the given values,
$$7-50X-1=0$$
$$X=0.12m$$

However, this does not give the 'correct' answer - ##0.8m##. I would be truly grateful if somebody could please explain where I have gone wrong. Thanks in advance!
 

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You have found the extension when the block first comes to a halt, but has it stopped moving entirely? Calculate the forces that will apply at that point.
 
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Better WOrld said:
$$mgX\sin\theta-\int_0^X kx dx-\mu mg\cos\theta X=0$$

You didn't take in account the oscillation of the system. Try to sum up all the forces at ##X=0.12m##.
 
  • #4
haruspex said:
You have found the extension when the block first comes to a halt, but has it stopped moving entirely? Calculate the forces that will apply at that point.
At that point, the spring would exert a force of ##12N## upwards while there is a force of ##11N## down the plane. However, I fail to see how that matters Sir.
 
  • #5
stockzahn said:
You didn't take in account the oscillation of the system. Try to sum up all the forces at ##X=0.12m##.
Sir, please could you explain what you mean? Doesn't the velocity of the block become 0 at ##0.12m##? If not, please could you show me how to solve the problem?
 
  • #6
I think the task is to calculate the final position of the block. If you calculate the forces at ##X=0.12m## you will see that the block is going to be accelerated again.
 
  • #7
Better WOrld said:
At that point, the spring would exert a force of ##12N## upwards while there is a force of ##11N## down the plane. However, I fail to see how that matters Sir.
The question is ambiguous. "Stops moving" could mean the first time the velocity is zero. That is how you have interpreted it. Or it could mean stops completely, i.e. comes to rest and stays at rest. If the forces are not in balance then it will start moving again.
 

Related to Maximum extension of a spring on an inclined plane

1. What is the maximum extension of a spring on an inclined plane?

The maximum extension of a spring on an inclined plane is the distance that the spring stretches from its original resting length when a force is applied to it on an inclined plane.

2. How is the maximum extension of a spring on an inclined plane calculated?

The maximum extension of a spring on an inclined plane can be calculated using the equation "X = (mg sinθ)/k", where X is the maximum extension, m is the mass of the object attached to the spring, g is the acceleration due to gravity, θ is the angle of the inclined plane, and k is the spring constant.

3. Does the angle of the inclined plane affect the maximum extension of the spring?

Yes, the angle of the inclined plane does affect the maximum extension of the spring. As the angle increases, the maximum extension also increases.

4. Can the maximum extension of a spring on an inclined plane ever be negative?

No, the maximum extension of a spring on an inclined plane cannot be negative. The spring will always stretch in the direction of the applied force, even if it is on an inclined plane.

5. How does the mass of the object attached to the spring affect the maximum extension on an inclined plane?

The mass of the object attached to the spring does affect the maximum extension on an inclined plane. As the mass increases, the maximum extension also increases, assuming all other variables remain constant.

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