Max Real Value of $p$ for Triangles with Positive Sides

In summary, the maximum real value of $p$ is $5$ if for any triple of positive real numbers $m, n, k$ that satisfies the inequality $pmnk > m^3 + n^3 + k^3$, there exists a triangle with side lengths $m, n, k$. By scaling the lengths and finding the maximum value of $f(m, n) = 5mn - m^3 - n^3$ in a specific triangle, it is shown that $p = 5$ satisfies the given property.
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Find the maximum real value of $p$ if for any triple of positive real numbers $m,\,n,\,k$ that satisfies the inequality $pmnk>m^3+n^3+k^3$, there exists a triangle with side lengths $m,\,n,\,k$.
 
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[sp]The triple $(m,n,k) = (2,1,1)$ satisfies $m^3+n^3+k^3 = 5mnk$. Since those three lengths do not form a triangle, it follows that $p$ cannot be greater than $5$. To show that $p=5$ does have the given property, it will be sufficient to show that every triple $(m,n,k)$ of lengths that do not form a triangle must satisfy the inequality $m^3 + n^3 + k^3 \geqslant 5mnk.$

We may assume that $k$ is the largest of the three numbers. Then the condition that $m$, $n$, $k$ do not form a triangle is $m+n\leqslant k$. The inequality $m^3 + n^3 + k^3 \geqslant 5mnk$ is homogeneous of degree $3$, so it will be sufficient to scale $m$, $n$, $k$ so that $k=1$ and $m+n\leqslant1$. The inequality then becomes $5mn - m^3 - n^3 \leqslant 1.$ Thus we want to find the maximum value of $f(m,n) = 5mn - m^3 - n^3$ in the triangle $m\geqslant 0$, $n\geqslant 0$, $m+n\leqslant 1.$

The function $f(m,n)$ has no critical points inside the triangle (in fact, its only critical points are $(0,0)$ and $\bigl(\frac53,\frac53\bigr)$), so its maximum value must occur on the boundary. If $m=0$ or $n=0$ then $f(m,n)=0$. If $m+n=1$ then $$f(m,n) = 5m(1-m) - m^3 - (1-m)^3 = -8m^2 + 8m - 1 = 1 - 2(2m-1)^2,$$ which has a maximum value $1$ (when $m= \frac12$). Therefore $f(m,n)\leqslant 1$ in the triangle, as required.[/sp]
 
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[sp]The triple $(m,n,k) = (2,1,1)$ satisfies $m^3+n^3+k^3 = 5mnk$. Since those three lengths do not form a triangle, it follows that $p$ cannot be greater than $5$. To show that $p=5$ does have the given property, it will be sufficient to show that every triple $(m,n,k)$ of lengths that do not form a triangle must satisfy the inequality $m^3 + n^3 + k^3 \geqslant 5mnk.$

We may assume that $k$ is the largest of the three numbers. Then the condition that $m$, $n$, $k$ do not form a triangle is $m+n\leqslant k$. The inequality $m^3 + n^3 + k^3 \geqslant 5mnk$ is homogeneous of degree $3$, so it will be sufficient to scale $m$, $n$, $k$ so that $k=1$ and $m+n\leqslant1$. The inequality then becomes $5mn - m^3 - n^3 \leqslant 1.$ Thus we want to find the maximum value of $f(m,n) = 5mn - m^3 - n^3$ in the triangle $m\geqslant 0$, $n\geqslant 0$, $m+n\leqslant 1.$

The function $f(m,n)$ has no critical points inside the triangle (in fact, its only critical points are $(0,0)$ and $\bigl(\frac53,\frac53\bigr)$), so its maximum value must occur on the boundary. If $m=0$ or $n=0$ then $f(m,n)=0$. If $m+n=1$ then $$f(m,n) = 5m(1-m) - m^3 - (1-m)^3 = -8m^2 + 8m - 1 = 1 - 2(2m-1)^2,$$ which has a maximum value $1$ (when $m= \frac12$). Therefore $f(m,n)\leqslant 1$ in the triangle, as required.[/sp]

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Related to Max Real Value of $p$ for Triangles with Positive Sides

1. What is the maximum possible value of p for a triangle with positive sides?

The maximum value of p for a triangle with positive sides is infinity. This is because there is no limit to how large the sides of a triangle can be, as long as they are all positive numbers.

2. How can I calculate the maximum possible value of p for a given triangle?

The maximum value of p for a given triangle can be calculated using the Triangle Inequality Theorem. This theorem states that the sum of the lengths of any two sides of a triangle must be greater than the length of the third side. So, to find the maximum value of p, you would need to find the sum of the two smaller sides and subtract it from the length of the longest side.

3. Is there a limit to the number of possible triangles with positive sides?

No, there is no limit to the number of possible triangles with positive sides. This is because there is no limit to the combinations of side lengths that can satisfy the Triangle Inequality Theorem.

4. Can a triangle have a maximum value of p if one of its sides is negative?

No, a triangle cannot have a maximum value of p if one of its sides is negative. The Triangle Inequality Theorem only applies to triangles with positive sides, so a negative side would violate this theorem.

5. How does the maximum value of p for a triangle with positive sides affect its shape?

The maximum value of p for a triangle with positive sides does not affect its shape. The Triangle Inequality Theorem only sets a limit on the possible combinations of side lengths, but it does not determine the actual shape of the triangle. The shape of a triangle can vary greatly, as long as the sides satisfy the theorem.

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