Lorentz transformation and its Noether current

In summary, the conversation discusses the calculation of Noether current and the transformation of fields in the context of spinor fields. The result for the transformation of a scalar field is derived and it is noted that the transformation for spinor fields is different and involves a spin matrix. The conversation ends with the confirmation that the same result was obtained by both parties.
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Ken Gallock
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Hi.
I'd like to ask about the calculation of Noether current.
On page16 of David Tong's lecture note(http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/tong/qft.html), there is a topic about Noether current and Lorentz transformation.
I want to derive ##\delta \mathcal{L}##, but during my calculation, I encountered this:
\begin{align}
\delta \mathcal{L}&=\dfrac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi}\delta \phi+\dfrac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_\mu \phi)}\partial_\mu (\delta \phi)\\
&=\dfrac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi}(-\omega^\rho_{~\sigma}x^\sigma \partial_\rho \phi)+
\dfrac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_\mu \phi)}\partial_\mu
(-\omega^\rho_{~\sigma}x^\sigma \partial_\rho \phi).
\end{align}
The second term,
$$
\partial_\mu(-\omega^\rho_{~\sigma}x^\sigma \partial_\rho \phi)
$$
is a troubling term for me. Since there is ##x^\sigma## and ##\partial_\mu##, I thought I have to derivate ##x^\sigma## like ##\partial_\mu x^\sigma##. But if I do so, it doesn't match with the result in the textbook.
Am I supposed not to derivate ##x##? or am I missing something?

Thanks.
 
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Exactly which equation are you trying to reproduce?
 
  • #3
Orodruin said:
Exactly which equation are you trying to reproduce?
I want eq(1.53):
$$
\delta \mathcal{L}=-\omega^\mu_{~\nu}x^\nu\partial_\mu \mathcal{L}.
$$
 
  • #4
Ken Gallock said:
I want eq(1.53):
$$
\delta \mathcal{L}=-\omega^\mu_{~\nu}x^\nu\partial_\mu \mathcal{L}.
$$
This is a direct consequence of the Lagrangian being a scalar field.
 
  • #5
Orodruin said:
This is a direct consequence of the Lagrangian being a scalar field.
Is it different when I'm dealing with spinor fields?
 
  • #6
Ken Gallock said:
Hi.
I'd like to ask about the calculation of Noether current.
...
But if I do so, it doesn't match with the result in the textbook.
Thanks.
You get the same result, if you differentiate and remember to use the fact that your field is a scalar and [itex]\omega_{\mu\nu} = -\omega_{\nu\mu}[/itex]:
[tex]-\delta \mathcal{L} = \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi} \left(\omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho}\phi \right) + \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\mu} \phi ) } \left( \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma}x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho} \partial_{\mu} \phi + \partial^{\rho}\phi \ \omega_{\rho \mu}\right) .[/tex] Arrange the terms to get [tex]\delta \mathcal{L} = - \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho}\mathcal{L} - \omega_{\rho \mu} \ \partial^{\rho} \phi \ \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}\phi )} .[/tex] Now, for a scalar field, you have [tex]\omega_{\rho \mu} \ \partial^{\rho} \phi \ \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}\phi )} \propto \omega_{\rho \mu} \ \partial^{\rho} \phi \ \partial^{\mu}\phi = 0 ,[/tex] because of the [itex]\omega_{\rho \mu} = - \omega_{\mu\rho}[/itex]. So, you are left with [tex]\delta \mathcal{L} = - \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho}\mathcal{L} = - \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho} \left( x^{\sigma} \mathcal{L}\right) .[/tex]

Is it different when I'm dealing with spinor fields?

The Lagrangian will still be scalar, but the transformation of the (spinor) field will no longer be [itex]\delta \psi = -\omega^{\mu}{}_{\nu}x^{\nu}\partial_{\mu}\psi .[/itex] You have to account for the spin of the field by including an appropriate spin matrix [itex]\Sigma[/itex]: [tex] \delta \psi_{a} = -\omega^{\mu}{}_{\nu}x^{\nu}\ \partial_{\mu}\psi_{a} + \omega_{\rho \sigma} (\Sigma^{\rho\sigma})_{a}{}^{c} \ \psi_{c} .[/tex]
 
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samalkhaiat said:
You get the same result, if you differentiate and remember to use the fact that your field is a scalar and [itex]\omega_{\mu\nu} = -\omega_{\nu\mu}[/itex]:
[tex]-\delta \mathcal{L} = \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi} \left(\omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho}\phi \right) + \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\mu} \phi ) } \left( \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma}x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho} \partial_{\mu} \phi + \partial^{\rho}\phi \ \omega_{\rho \mu}\right) .[/tex] Arrange the terms to get [tex]\delta \mathcal{L} = - \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho}\mathcal{L} - \omega_{\rho \mu} \ \partial^{\rho} \phi \ \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}\phi )} .[/tex] Now, for a scalar field, you have [tex]\omega_{\rho \mu} \ \partial^{\rho} \phi \ \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}\phi )} \propto \omega_{\rho \mu} \ \partial^{\rho} \phi \ \partial^{\mu}\phi = 0 ,[/tex] because of the [itex]\omega_{\rho \mu} = - \omega_{\mu\rho}[/itex]. So, you are left with [tex]\delta \mathcal{L} = - \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho}\mathcal{L} = - \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho} \left( x^{\sigma} \mathcal{L}\right) .[/tex]
The Lagrangian will still be scalar, but the transformation of the (spinor) field will no longer be [itex]\delta \psi = -\omega^{\mu}{}_{\nu}x^{\nu}\partial_{\mu}\psi .[/itex] You have to account for the spin of the field by including an appropriate spin matrix [itex]\Sigma[/itex]: [tex] \delta \psi_{a} = -\omega^{\mu}{}_{\nu}x^{\nu}\ \partial_{\mu}\psi_{a} + \omega_{\rho \sigma} (\Sigma^{\rho\sigma})_{a}{}^{c} \ \psi_{c} .[/tex]

Thanks!
I got the same result!
 

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The Lorentz transformation is a mathematical equation that describes how measurements of space and time change when an observer moves at a constant velocity relative to another observer. It is a fundamental concept in special relativity.

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