Log and Ln Problem - Matching Equations

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In summary, the equations given by the client for calculating cadmium concentration are not the same. The first equation uses the natural logarithm function (ln) while the second equation uses the base 10 logarithm function (log10). In order to make them equivalent, the power of 0.86 needs to be adjusted. Additionally, some calculators may display powers of 10 as E, which may be causing confusion. The correct function to use is ln (lnarithmus naturalis) instead of In. The hardness value is also needed in order to calculate the concentration accurately.
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Homework Statement



I am trying to prove that the following equations are the same for a client, but keep getting different answers using a calculator.


Homework Equations



1- Cadmium concentration = e^0.86[In(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L


2 - Cadmium concentration = 10^0.86[log10(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L


The Attempt at a Solution



These are the answers I keep getting:

Cadmium concentration = e^0.86[In(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L = 0.649361 ug/L

Cadmium concentration = 10^0.86[log10(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L = 0.010051 ug/L
 
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why would you think they are the same if you rewrite a little you'll see why:

cc = hardness * e^0.86 - 3.2

vs

cc = hardness * 10^0.86 - 3.2

to make them the same you need to fix the 0.86 power ie 10^y=e^0.86
 
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pizbot said:

Homework Statement



I am trying to prove that the following equations are the same for a client, but keep getting different answers using a calculator.


Homework Equations



1- Cadmium concentration = e^0.86[In(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L


2 - Cadmium concentration = 10^0.86[log10(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L


The Attempt at a Solution



These are the answers I keep getting:

Cadmium concentration = e^0.86[In(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L = 0.649361 ug/L

Cadmium concentration = 10^0.86[log10(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L = 0.010051 ug/L

e ≈ 2.718281828459...

So, e ≠ 10 → e^0.86 ≠ 10^0.86, etc.

However, the display on many calculators does show E rather than 10 when displaying powers of ten, as in the following:

2.998✕108 will be shown as 2.998E8 .

Perhaps that's what you are thinking of.
 
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pizbot said:

Homework Equations


1- Cadmium concentration = e^0.86[In(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L

There is no In function - it's ln (LN), short for logarithmus naturalis.
 
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What is your hardness value?
 

Related to Log and Ln Problem - Matching Equations

What is the difference between log and ln?

Log and ln both represent mathematical functions that involve the logarithm of a number. However, log refers to the logarithm with base 10, while ln refers to the natural logarithm with base e.

How do I solve a log and ln problem?

To solve a log and ln problem, you first need to understand the basic properties of logarithms and exponentials. Then, you can use those properties to manipulate the given equation and solve for the unknown variable.

What are the common uses of log and ln in science?

Log and ln are commonly used in science to represent exponential growth and decay, as well as to convert between different units of measurement. They are also used in statistical analysis and in various scientific equations and models.

Can you provide an example of a log and ln problem?

Sure, here is an example: Solve for x in the equation log2(x) = 3. To solve this, we can use the property that logb(x) = y is equivalent to x = by. So, in this case, x = 23 = 8.

Are there any restrictions or limitations when using log and ln?

Yes, there are a few restrictions when using log and ln. First, the argument (the number inside the parentheses) of a log or ln function must be positive. Additionally, the base of a log function cannot be 1, and the argument of an ln function cannot be 0.

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