Limitations to the practical use of atmospheric electricity?

In summary, the electric potential increases with altitude in fine weather, but its practical application as a source of power, like a battery, is hindered by the high source impedance of air and the small amount of charge available. Thunderstorms and lightning play a role in maintaining the electric field, but it would be difficult to harness this energy for practical use.
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apratim.ankur
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"In fine weather, the electric potential increases with altitude at about 30 volts per foot (100 V/m)...."

what hinders its practical application as a source of power, as a battery?
 
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what are you quoting?
 
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apratim.ankur said:
"In fine weather, the electric potential increases with altitude at about 30 volts per foot (100 V/m)...."

what hinders its practical application as a source of power, as a battery?

Most likely it is the very high source impedance associated with the resistivity of air. Even if you put a metal plate on the valley floor with the resistive load, and ran a cable to a plate on the top of a nearby mountain, the current has to flow through the air to complete the circuit.

SHISHKABOB said:
what are you quoting?

I Googled his quote, and it looks like Wikipedia is the origin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_electricity
 
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apratim.ankur said:
"In fine weather, the electric potential increases with altitude at about 30 volts per foot (100 V/m)...."

what hinders its practical application as a source of power, as a battery?
Because to generate electricity you need two things. You need a voltage differential and excess charge that can flow across that differential. Battery continuously provides you with excess electrons on the -ve pole. That's what gives you the voltage differential to begin with. Simply having a constant field around you does not allow you to construct a closed circuit where electricity is consistently pushed one way around the circuit.

Of course, there is some amount of charge responsible for the above voltage differential, but it's static electricity, so the quantity of that charge is small. You can estimate it as a parallel plate capacitor.

[tex]C = \epsilon_0 \frac{A}{d} = \frac{q}{V}[/tex]

So if we are looking at d=10km, you only have 8.9x10-6C/m². That gives you 8.9 J/m² of energy, and once used up, it will take some time to regenerate. In contrast, solar power provides you with up to 1000 J/m² every second without having to build an antenna that's many kilometers high.
 
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This is from “The Lightning Discharge” by Martin A. Uman, Dover Publications, 2001, pages 29-30:

“Thunderstorms and lightning play a role in maintaining the fine-weather electric field, about 100V/m pointing downward, that is due to the negative charge on the Earth and the positive space charge in the atmosphere (e.g., Israel, 1971; Pierce, 1974). A drawing showing how such a balance might occur is found in Fig. 1.18. The electrical conductivity of the atmosphere increases with height. The atmosphere is a good conductor to slowly varying signals at about 50 km, a level known as the electrosphere. The value of conductivity necessary to reflect radio waves occurs somewhat higher, in the region known as the ionosphere. The voltage between the Earth and the electrosphere in regions of fair weather is about 300,000 V. To maintain this voltage the Earth has about 10º C of negative charge on its surface, an equal positive charge being distributed throughout the atmosphere. In regions of fine weather, atmospheric currents of the order of 1000 A are continuously depleting this charge. The charge is apparently replaced by the action of thunderstorms including lightning. The thunderstorm system acts as a type of battery to keep the fine weather system charged.”

Seems to me the OP should propose how to harvest some of this energy.

Cheers,
Bobbywhy
 
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Related to Limitations to the practical use of atmospheric electricity?

1. What are the main factors that limit the practical use of atmospheric electricity?

The main factors that limit the practical use of atmospheric electricity include the unpredictability and variability of atmospheric conditions, the difficulty in capturing and storing atmospheric electricity on a large scale, and the high cost of implementing and maintaining atmospheric electricity systems.

2. Can atmospheric electricity be harnessed for everyday use?

While there are some limited applications of atmospheric electricity, such as lightning rods and static electricity generators, it is currently not feasible to harness atmospheric electricity for everyday use due to the technical and economic challenges involved.

3. How does atmospheric electricity affect our daily lives?

Atmospheric electricity plays a crucial role in various natural phenomena such as lightning, thunderstorms, and the formation of clouds. It also has some minor impacts on human activities, such as interference with radio communication and power outages caused by lightning strikes.

4. What are the potential benefits of harnessing atmospheric electricity?

If successfully harnessed, atmospheric electricity could provide a renewable and clean source of energy. It could also potentially reduce our dependence on traditional energy sources and help mitigate climate change by reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

5. What are some current research efforts aimed at overcoming the limitations of atmospheric electricity?

Scientists are currently exploring various methods to capture and store atmospheric electricity, such as using conductive materials and advanced storage technologies. They are also studying the behavior and patterns of atmospheric electricity to improve predictability and utilize it more effectively.

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