Mysterious High Pitched Sounds & Pressure Around Head

[Imparcticle]

Okay, this going to sound weird but...

When I approach structures that generate/produce/transmit a relatively large amount of electricity, I begin to hear a high pitched noise. It's like a kind of constant, "zzzzzz". Then I begin to feel pressure on my head. Normally when I sense this, I move away immediately because it begins to make me somewhat dizzy. Possibly, if I stayed close by long enough, I might faint or something .
This also happens at one cash register. The cash registers at this place
are placed close by, and at right angles of each other. There is a sum of 3 cash registers here. Yesterday we were there, and my mom called me over to help her with something. Immediately when I came within a few feet of it, I felt and heard that constant, high pitched sound (that is really silent). It caused some pressure around the circumference of my head. When I stepped a few feet back, it stopped.

Wierd huh? Can anyone explain this at all? I think I should go to the doctor and be examined or something.

 

[BoulderHead]

Okay, this going to sound weird but...

When I approach structures that generate/produce/transmit a relatively large amount of electricity, I begin to hear a high pitched noise. It's like a kind of constant, "zzzzzz". Then I begin to feel pressure on my head. Normally when I sense this, I move away immediately because it begins to make me somewhat dizzy. Possibly, if I stayed close by long enough, I might faint or something .

Flickering lights affect me negatively. I have to leave the room asap or suffer sore eyes or possibly even a migraine headache, yet others in the room are able to cope with it (some don’t even notice any flicker). Fluorescent lighting is usually the culprit (ballast or tube in need of replacement) and sometimes an audible humming also is present. At very close distances from the bulb (under 10-feet) a peculiar feeling of physical assault is sometimes experienced. It’s something I cannot ignore and the only relief is to turn off the offending lamp or to leave the area. Perhaps you are sensitive in a way not altogether different than me. Good luck dealing with this.

The cash registers at this place are placed close by, and at right angles of each other. There is a sum of 3 cash registers here.

What is typically the sum in these three registers, and where exactly are you located?

 

[Imparcticle]

Another weird thing happens to me.

When I am even just starting to think about something minutely abstract, I get this pressure on the front of my head. This is bothersome, but its when it occurs that I do my best thinking. Once, I actually went a week without doing any abstract thinking and when I got back to my normal studies, guess what? My head was felt no pressure. That was when I had a hard time thinking in an abstract manner.

Yes, I guess we have similarities in these odd phenomena. I really want to see if I can get this studied.

 

[i_wish_i_was_smart]

anything that's electro magnetic i hear a hisss sound, so its everywhere, it really bothers me during homework and stuff, but i don't get headachs or anything

 

[zoobyshoe]

This is interesting. I was playing with an electronics kit thing the other night. One of the circuits was a simple one transistor amplifier hooked up to an ear phone. The instructions were to touch the lead that lead to the base of the transistor and in the earphone you would hear the faint buzzing of all the stray EM signals that were in the area and that your body was picking up like an antenna. I was sitting right next to a fluorescent lamp so the buzzing was not faint at all. When I touched the lamp it rose dramatically in volume. When I shut the lamp off it diminished considerably.

This proves that people are, indeed, picking up EM signals with their body.

How this is being amplified and channeled into your ears, though, is a total mystery to me.

The pressure on your head and forehead might be either migraine or simple partial seizure symptoms. Most people aren't aware that Migraine doesn't necessarily have to include the tremendous headache.

Alot of people with seizures swear that they are affected by close proximity to anything with an EM field around it: motors, microwaves, fluorescent lamps, etc. I haven't happened to find any studies that back this up, but there is nothing really unscientific about the claim, since it has been proven that they have "touchier" neurons.

 

[photon]

Guys, I've never really told anyone else about this, but here it goes. (deep breath) When I was a little lad, (about 3 years ago ) I was abducted by aliens. They took me into one of their ships to do... experiments on me. Now I have trouble sleeping at night, the last thing they said to me was "you are the walrus." And I make weird noises when I sneeze.

 

[i_wish_i_was_smart]

This is interesting. I was playing with an electronics kit thing the other night. One of the circuits was a simple one transistor amplifier hooked up to an ear phone. The instructions were to touch the lead that lead to the base of the transistor and in the earphone you would hear the faint buzzing of all the stray EM signals that were in the area and that your body was picking up like an antenna. I was sitting right next to a fluorescent lamp so the buzzing was not faint at all. When I touched the lamp it rose dramatically in volume. When I shut the lamp off it diminished considerably.

This proves that people are, indeed, picking up EM signals with their body.

How this is being amplified and channeled into your ears, though, is a total mystery to me.

The pressure on your head and forehead might be either migraine or simple partial seizure symptoms. Most people aren't aware that Migraine doesn't necessarily have to include the tremendous headache.

Alot of people with seizures swear that they are affected by close proximity to anything with an EM field around it: motors, microwaves, fluorescent lamps, etc. I haven't happened to find any studies that back this up, but there is nothing really unscientific about the claim, since it has been proven that they have "touchier" neurons.

now I'm scared

 

[i_wish_i_was_smart]

Guys, I've never really told anyone else about this, but here it goes. (deep breath) When I was a little lad, (about 3 years ago ) I was abducted by aliens. They took me into one of their ships to do... experiments on me. Now I have trouble sleeping at night, the last thing they said to me was "you are the walrus." And I make weird noises when I sneeze.

now I'm really scared
actualy i don't disbelieve your story, if it happened, man that should be out of this world, i can't imagine it, frankly i don't want to imagine it, i would hate being an experiment, think about it though, our world includes earth, and we do experiments on more primitive creatures, say their world is the solar system, and they do experiements on more primitive creatures(us) and on and on, it makes sense, its crazy, i would rather communicate with them instead of being an experiment though.

my cousin went through a simular experience

 

[photon]

Ah-choo! I am the Walrus!

 

[zoobyshoe]

actualy i don't disbelieve your story

He's just being a smart aleck. Pay no attention to him.

 

[i_wish_i_was_smart]

Paul Mcartney is the walrus, don't you know that

 

[hypnagogue]

I get something vaguely like that. If the TV monitor is on but not picking up any TV programs, if I walk into the room I can nonetheless sense (somehow) that it's on. I don't really notice any noise, but when I turn it off the room seems to get quieter. I only get that experience with this one particular TV though. I'm pretty sure it's not just a faint noise the TV makes, or at least that's not how I experience it-- I just get a nebulous impression that something is there, and when I shut the TV off it leaves.

 

[Njorl]

I get something vaguely like that. If the TV monitor is on but not picking up any TV programs, if I walk into the room I can nonetheless sense (somehow) that it's on. I don't really notice any noise, but when I turn it off the room seems to get quieter. I only get that experience with this one particular TV though. I'm pretty sure it's not just a faint noise the TV makes, or at least that's not how I experience it-- I just get a nebulous impression that something is there, and when I shut the TV off it leaves.

TV's emit a fairly loud, very high-pitched whine. It is beyond the range of many people's hearing, so they don't believe it happens. I hear it, and it really annoys me. Some sets are worse than others. When I go shopping for a TV, the most important thing I check is how loud the whine is.

Njorl

 

[Imparcticle]

I get something vaguely like that. If the TV monitor is on but not picking up any TV programs, if I walk into the room I can nonetheless sense (somehow) that it's on. I don't really notice any noise, but when I turn it off the room seems to get quieter. I only get that experience with this one particular TV though. I'm pretty sure it's not just a faint noise the TV makes, or at least that's not how I experience it-- I just get a nebulous impression that something is there, and when I shut the TV off it leaves.

There is a really annoying t.v. in my room which constantly gets a lot of static. Sometimes, if I'm lucky, it doesn't. Anyway, when I am close to the antenna, it becomes okay and of course I can't do that without feeling disoriented so I try not to.

Does this happen to everyone?

Nikola Tesla had an acute sense of hearing. What is interesting is, intelligent people like yourselves and Nikola (hehe, we're on a first name basis) tend to have sensitive senses. Is that true?

 

[i_wish_i_was_smart]

TV's emit a fairly loud, very high-pitched whine. It is beyond the range of many people's hearing, so they don't believe it happens. I hear it, and it really annoys me. Some sets are worse than others. When I go shopping for a TV, the most important thing I check is how loud the whine is.

Njorl

i pick up that whine also, bugs the **** out of me, but my whole family doesn't pick it up, they think the tv is off, then i go and close their like WTF i thought it was off, sheesh

 

[Evo]

For me, it's the freezers in the grocery store. They recently remodeled and put in new freezer units and now when I go into the frozen food section the buzzing from the units is deafening to me, but no one else notices it. I can't even shop in that section anymore.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

TV's emit a fairly loud, very high-pitched whine. It is beyond the range of many people's hearing, so they don't believe it happens. I hear it, and it really annoys me. Some sets are worse than others. When I go shopping for a TV, the most important thing I check is how loud the whine is.

Njorl

I can also hear the TV whine; at least in some sets. I could tell from another room if the old TV's were on or not. Since the advent of the instant-on technology I can hear the TV constantly. I have learned to ignore it, but I can also tune in at will. I can also hear flourescent lights.

I think this is actually a ~20Khz noise produced in the flyback [high voltage] circuit. Same for the flourescent lights. Some lighting systems use 20KHZ precisely; right at the upper limit of our hearing.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Silly me. I forgot to mention that switching power supplies, such as those used in computers and cash registers, can emit noise in the 20KHz range. For some time this became a fairly standard switching frequency.

I think what happens is that inductors in the circuit, such as those that use a ferrite toroid as a core, can produce audible noise as a result of the mechanical stress of the varying magnetic field around them. Also, after thinking about it I could swear that while doing circuit design I have been able to hear transistors and op amps switching at certain frequencies.

 

[Evo]

Flourescent lights make a lot of noise. What causes that?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Flourescent lights make a lot of noise. What causes that?

60Hz low voltage [110 volts] AC, and high frequency switching that's used to produce the high voltage for the light itself. Its all or mostly in the transformers, I think.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Expanding on what Ivan proposed:

There is a very small gap built into the ferrite core of the TV flyback transformer across which the magnetic field "flys back" when the coil is deexited after every pulse of current into it.

I think it is somewhere here you will find the source of the whine, probably the core vibrating by magnetostriction, like an elecromagnetically operated tuning fork, since the gap gives them the freedom to oscillate.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

There is a very small gap built into the ferrite core of the TV flyback transformer across which the magnetic field "flys back" when the coil is deexited after every pulse of current into it.

Good point! I had forgotten about that. It really is a ready made tuning fork.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Good point! I had forgotten about that. It really is a ready made tuning fork.

I just did a little reading about magnetosriction and discovered that this doesn't have to be the case. Apparently they can devise ferroceramic cores that won't succumb to magnetostriction:

"...soft ferrites having a high initial susceptibility are those in which the magnetostriction is small, and it just happens that whereas the magnetostriction of ferrous ferrite FeO.Fe₂O₃ (magnetite) is positive, that of all others is negative. Consequently by mixing any ferrite with magnetite in suitable proportions a mixed system may be made whose magnetostriction is zero and which therefore has a high initial susceptibility."

-Magnetism, An Introductory survey
E.W.Lee
Dover Books 1963

I have a couple/three TV flybacks laying around and the cores are clearly ferroceramic. So, it is possible they are the zero magnetostriction kind.
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Cameras that have capacitor activated flashes seem to kind of hum/whine while the caps are charging. Do they put something in the circuit to deliberately make that noise so you'll know it is charging or is that the natural sound of the circuit?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I'm not sure if magnetostriction is needed in order to produce some noice. This term involves a change in length in the semi-toroid - uniformly and at the atomic scale. I think mechanical stresses acting across the gap might still make the toroid "ring". In other words, I'm thinking that the forces that act to compress the toroid in the case of magnetostriction could still act to strain the material in a macroscopic, mechanical sense. Assuming that I haven't mixed up my stress, strain, torque, and compress terminologies here. :yuck:

 

[Imparcticle]

So everyone is capable of detecting (with ears) EM waves from the tv? I hear it so much its perefectly normal. I didn't think it was anything special.

When I study or think about something complex/deep, my hair starts sticking up. :uhh: Not very much, but a little. It is very noticable in the front. Is that common?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

So everyone is capable of detecting (with ears) EM waves from the tv? I hear it so much its perefectly normal. I didn't think it was anything special.

We are not talking about hearing EM waves, we are talking about sound that is produced by the high frequency circuits, and their related transformers, in the equipment mentioned here. This issue probably relates the range of hearing for each person. Some people can hear the really high frequencies and other people can't.

There has been some rumor that pulses of microwaves can cause clicking sounds in someone's head, but this is mostly based on alleged X-KGB documents. When the X-Soviet collapsed, allegedly, many of the KGB files hit the black market and were available to the highest bidder. I have seen several reports about this that claim the soviets were working on such technology, but it is just as possible, at least, that this is completely bogus. Obviously the motivation is clear. If you could produce clicks in someones head, you could also string the clicks together for sending secret messages to a target. If you hear about these claims you should take them very lightly at best. There is no way to know if these documents are genuine.

The short of it is that we don't know how to produce a sound in someone's head by using EM. If this can be done it is largely unrecognized; as far as I know. One reason I mention this is that I may have seen one credible report about this but I just can't be sure. Someone here in the US may have duplicated these results...

 

[zoobyshoe]

I think mechanical stresses acting across the gap might still make the toroid "ring". In other words, I'm thinking that the forces that act to compress the toroid in the case of magnetostriction could still act to strain the material in a macroscopic, mechanical sense.

Yes. I think your logic is sound. When the coil is energised the magnetic circuit would try with all its power to close the gap and create the smallest possible path for itself.

Magnetostriction would have the opposite effect. It causes the magnetized object to physically lengthen. If that were at work, the gap would alternatly lengthen, return to normal, lengthen, return to normal...

By your mechanism the core would alternatly try to pinch shut at the gap, relax, shut, relax.

Either way, there is ringing.

 

[zoobyshoe]

This issue probably relates the range of hearing for each person. Some people can hear the really high frequencies and other people can't.

I'm sure this is what's at work here. When the upper limit of human hearing is given as 20,000 hz it is only a statistic, an average of some sort. It isn't an absolute cut off point for all people.

The strange thing I discovered a few months ago is that people's brains are arranged such that different frequency bands of sound are processed in different locations in the brain. 1 to 3 kiloherz may be handled at one location, and 4 to 6 k at another, for example (those aren't exact figures). These different locations can actually develop different levels of sensitivity, and they can also be damaged such that, even with no physical damage to the ear, a person can have diminished ability to hear things in a certain range. This is a quite different phenomenon than when you have diminished hearing from, say, a lot of rock concerts or industrial noises in which the ear mechanisms are damaged.

This is a relatively new field of exploration from what I understand. I started to speculate that a person could concievable have well above average responses in some frequency bands: above average sensitivity in the near utrasonic range, for instance. Alot more machines and devices would annoy them than what annoys most people.

 

[Tsu]

Flickering lights affect me negatively.

Probably wouldn't be so bad if you could HOLD YOUR EYE STILL!