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In summary, Canadian psychologists have shown that men's minds can be influenced by the sight of a pretty woman, causing them to behave irrationally. This is due to the fact that animals, including humans, tend to prefer short-term gains over longer-term ones, even if the future payoff is larger. Advertisements featuring attractive women take advantage of this effect in people. Researchers at McMaster University designed an experiment to investigate this phenomenon, asking participants to look at pictures of the opposite sex and then choose between immediate or future payment. Results showed that men were more likely to choose immediate payment after looking at pictures of pretty women, while women's choices were unaffected by photos of handsome men. The researchers suggest that this behavior may be driven by men's
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HAMILTON, ONT. - Men's minds may be so rattled by the sight of a pretty woman that they behave irrationally, Canadian psychologists have shown.

Scientists know animals prefer short-term gains to longer-term ones, even if the future payoff is larger. Advertisements featuring attractive women take advantage of the effect in people.

Researchers at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ont., designed an experiment to investigate sex-related "irrational discounting."

Psychologists Margo Wilson and Martin Daly asked 209 students to look at pictures of the opposite sex from the website "Hot or Not."

The participants were then asked if they'd prefer receiving an average of $19 immediately or waiting for $25 at some future time.

After eyeballing faces of women ranked as pretty on the website, men were more likely to want the immediate payment rather than hang on for a bigger bonus.

Women's choices, though, were unaffected by photos of handsome men.

The researchers suggest men may want money immediately to impress the ladies.

The study appears in this week's online issue of Proceedings of the Royal Society London B.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/12/10/pretty031210 [Broken]
 
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The researchers suggest men may want money immediately to impress the ladies.
Are they serious.. money to impress the 2D picture on the screen or what?
 
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In men, at least, visual stimulus seems to be hooked directly into deeper behavior sections of the brain. I have posted before my own crank theory why this might be so, and certainly the porn industry would suggest it is true.

So it may be irrational, but it's not unexpected, that men would start courting behavior ("money to impress...") based on nothing more than a picture.
 
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Well, according to Professor J. Philippe Rushton (http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/faculty/rushton.html [Broken]), Northern men court women through their show of social status and money, while the women show off their sexuality. In other words, Northern men want looks, Northern women want money/social social status/intelligence.

But, Rushton says that equitorial men attract women by showing off their muscles, penis size, and athletic ability, while equitorial women are the same as Northen women, or something like that. The evolutionary explanation for this is that in equitorial regions, high intelligence was not really needed to reproduce successfully, but in the North, larger brains were needed to figure out how to find shelter, make clothing, find food. Women were better off choosing intelligence over strength in the North. Plus, tribes were highly separated from each other in the North; finding shelter and food was more of a problem than fighting rival tribes. But inter-tribal conflict was much more of a problem in equitorial regions, such as in Africa and the Middle East. Here, strenth to fight off rival tribes was more important.

Of course, though the above is the natural inclinations of people, it is possible to resist such urges and make wiser reproductive choices. I am part of an equitorial race and I am always thinking about female's naked bodies, but since I am a eugenicist, I will only reproduce with a female with good genetic stock (high intelligence, good behavioral traits, no genetic diseases) and sooth my sexual desires via masturbation.

Carlos Hernandez
 
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Forgive me, but the professor's explanation strike me as self indulgent fanasizing; just-so stories in fact.

As to your eugenic concerns, have you found anyone who measures up? Would you accept a woman who met your IQ and health constraints, but was of another race? Remember, you can't affect the population quality of the future if you don't reporduce!
 
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This seems to perpetuate the myth that women don't care about what a guy looks like. Before you even have any chance with a woman, you have to pass her physical attraction test, at least in the beginning.
 
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It's usually "common sense" that women are not as concerned about looks as are men -- I don't have any real numbers to back it up, but it sure does seem to be true in my experience. (Hey, don't throw any tomatoes!)

In fact, I once saw a website gallery of photographs of beautiful women with horrifically ugly boyfriends.

Yes, women do generally care about whether or not a man is attractive -- but much less so than men care about whether or not a woman is attractive.

- Warren
 
  • #8
Originally posted by selfAdjoint
Forgive me, but the professor's explanation strike me as self indulgent fanasizing; just-so stories in fact.

His site which I posted has ample physical and psychological data. But I do understand your emotional reaction, most of us are like that when presented with an argument antagonistic to our individual world views. It takes time getting used to new data.


As to your eugenic concerns, have you found anyone who measures up? Would you accept a woman who met your IQ and health constraints, but was of another race? Remember, you can't affect the population quality of the future if you don't reporduce!

IQ and health are just two of the factors, I also want a mate with good personality/behavioral traits, such as high conscientiousness, Typical Intellectual engagement, healthy ethnocentrism, balanced altruism, and creativity. Once I find such a mate, I will produce 3 offspring.

With regards to race, I am only attracted to East Asians, Whites, and Hispanic women.

Carlos Hernandez
 
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Originally posted by The_Professional
This seems to perpetuate the myth that women don't care about what a guy looks like. Before you even have any chance with a woman, you have to pass her physical attraction test, at least in the beginning.

First, according to the professor, you can't generalize all women as the same, but you must divide them into Northern women (East Asians and Europeans) and then Equitorial women (South and South-East Asians, Arabs, Africans, Mullatos, etc.) What Professor Rushton says is that the Northern women place more emphasis on social status/intelligence/wealth than do equitorial women. But yes, all women do value good looks too, after all, what female wants to have sex with a very hideous male?

Carlos Hernandez
 
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Originally posted by chroot
And if she only wants two, you'll beat her. Right?

- Warren

Beating my wife is illegal and I obey the laws.

Second, such things as number of offspring desired is something we must agree to before getting married. If we have different idealist viewpoints, we would not get married.

Carlos Hernandez
 
  • #11
Originally posted by Carlos Hernandez
If we have different idealist viewpoints, we would not get married.
A) Why get married then? It seems you've already assigned your wife a purpose: as a concubine to produce your three offspring. You certainly don't need to marry her. Just use her as a breeding machine, then throw her out the door and raise the kids yourself. After all, she'll probably try to get involved in decisions about their parenting, and that would be intolerable!

B) You don't date much, do ya?

- Warren
 
  • #12
Originally posted by chroot
A) Why get married then? It seems you've already assigned your wife a purpose: as a concubine to produce your three offspring. You certainly don't need to marry her. Just use her as a breeding machine, then throw her out the door and raise the kids yourself. After all, she'll probably try to get involved in decisions about their parenting, and that would be intolerable!

B) You don't date much, do ya?

- Warren

Please learn the rules of rational debate at http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html

Carlos Hernandez
 
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I don't recall engaging in a debate. I recall making fun of you for your views on the utility of women.

- Warren
 
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Originally posted by chroot
I don't recall engaging in a debate. I recall making fun of you for your views on the utility of women.

- Warren

Please don't reduce the quality of this forum by engaging in ad hominem.

Second, I consider both males and females as utilitarian objects. I am a pragmatist and stoic, you obviously are a sentimentalist. To each his own.

Carlos Hernandez
 
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Originally posted by Carlos Hernandez
I consider both males and females as utilitarian objects. I am a pragmatist and stoic
And, like I said, that attitude probably means you'll never get laid -- much less the requisite three times.

- Warren
 
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Originally posted by Carlos Hernandez

Second, I consider both males and females as utilitarian objects. I am a pragmatist and stoic, you obviously are a sentimentalist. To each his own.

Carlos Hernandez

Heil Heil ve vait for the 4th Reich...
 
  • #17
Originally posted by chroot
And, like I said, that attitude probably means you'll never get laid -- much less the requisite three times.

- Warren

Argumentum ad hominem

red herring.

More details at http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html

But, if you would like to change the topic to sexual practices of both individual and groups, perhaps at the level of differential psychology, I can start a new thread.

Charlos Hernandez
 
  • #18
Originally posted by Anttech
Heil Heil ve vait for the 4th Reich...

Argumentum ad hominem

red herring.

But, if you want, we can start a new thread on National Socialism.

You seem to also be implying that I am a National Socialist, but I am Mexican and am not allowed into the movement. The leading National Socialist organization is the National Alliance based in America. According to them, I should be deported back to Mexico. But that is obviously not in my best interest.

Carlos Hernandez
 
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Nope... I am impling that you are a faciast, I don't care where you are from or what colour your skin is, the bottom line is your "Tone" and attitude seems to be in parralles with "The master Race"

People are not objects or any type of utility...

Anyway good luck finding your "Suitable Mate"
 
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Originally posted by Carlos Hernandez
Argumentum ad hominem

red herring.
Actually, you're wrong. I was not arguing ad hominem. I don't know who you are, what your credentials are, or anything of that sort, and therefore was certainly not using such information against you.

Instead, I was directly attacking your statements -- your attitude is generally the sort of attitude that will not result in much luck with concubi.. I mean women. That is all.

- Warren
 
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Originally posted by chroot
Actually, you're wrong. I was not arguing ad hominem. I don't know who you are, what your credentials are, or anything of that sort, and therefore was certainly not using such information against you.

Instead, I was directly attacking your statements -- your attitude is generally the sort of attitude that will not result in much luck with concubi.. I mean women. That is all.

- Warren

So you don't care for my world views. That is all you had to day. For example, I have no interest in your sentimentalism, and that is all I have to say to make my point. I value pragmatism.

Regards,

Carlos Hernandez
 
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Originally posted by Anttech
Nope... I am impling that you are a faciast

How does one define "fascist"? It is a subjective term. Basically, if one disagrees with a political opponent, he is termed a "fascist." Democrats think Republicans are "fascist" and vice versa. Americans think Arabs are fascist, but Arabs themselves are satisfied with their tough Islamic laws. Europe thinks Israel is fascist, but Jews feel quite happy with Israel's politics. So, "fascism" is in the eye of the beholder. You can't objectively define the word. I support direct democracy. Many would consider that fascist.


"The master Race"

I believe all races are genetically lacking: I don't see any Master Race. I think each race has their unique strengths and weaknesses and I would like to see each race work out their unique genetic problems.


"People are not objects or any type of utility..."

All people are matter, made up of atoms. We are objects, albeit more complex objects than a table or chair.

Carlos Hernandez
 
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Genetically lacking? Lacking what may I ask... The power to leap tall buildings?? I think the fact that the Human race has come so far is a tribute to how good our DNA is...

"The Master race" I was referring to a Nazi Ideal, which you seem to subscribe to...

We may consist of Atoms, however we have the power of thought and have the ablity to freely choose what to think/say and what to do, unlike a chair and thus I would not say People are "Objects"

Sorry I just fundementally disagree with everything you say...

I also don't know you and to be honest don't care to know you! I am European, and I don't believe that Isreal is a facist state, or Arabs are faciast... I also don't feel that you can tar a whole race with one brush...

All I know with my inferior DNA is that your Ideals are very similar to a great evil that killed millions of our forefathers...
 
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Genetically lacking? Lacking what may I ask... The power to leap tall buildings??

Yes, for starters. I believe all races should be able to leap tall buildings. But, much more detail is at http://www.neoeugenics.com/

I think the fact that the Human race has come so far is a tribute to how good our DNA is...

It is my subjective opinion that humans are advanced than other animals, but we can always be better.


"The Master race" I was referring to a Nazi Ideal, which you seem to subscribe to...

I am confused. Can you please explain in further details what you mean by Master Race?

"We may consist of Atoms, however we have the power of thought and have the ablity to freely choose what to think/say and what to do, unlike a chair and thus I would not say People are "Objects"

All thought processes are mechanical: interaction of chemicals with ion conduction across axons, dentrites, and synapses. Our brains are just like computers, but instead of being designed by men, it is designed by nature/natural selection.

"Sorry I just fundementally disagree with everything you say...

Why do you believe you need to apologize for having different opionions from me?

"I also don't know you and to be honest don't care to know you!

Irrelevant comment. Whether you have a desire to meet me one day is irrelvant to the topic at hand.

I also don't feel that you can tar a whole race with one brush...

You can make statistically accurate generalizations of population groups.

"All I know with my inferior DNA

Please describe to me the "inferiority" of your DNA.

"is that your Ideals are very similar to a great evil that killed millions of our forefathers...

I don't wish to kill anyone.

How do you define "evil?"


Carlos Hernandez
 
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lol... Ok You don't seem to understand Sarcasim or wit, perhaps you don't have the "Funny" Gene or something (..T.H.A.T. W.A.S. A J.O.K.E..)

"All thought processes are mechanical: interaction of chemicals with ion conduction across axons, dentrites, and synapses. Our brains are just like computers, but instead of being designed by men, it is designed by nature/natural selection."

There are "Mechanics" behind thinking, as you described above however the process of thinking and inteligence cannot be described as above and Inteligence is hardly understood by humans and by you...

I won't define evil for you, you can go and figure that one out.

Why would a human need to Leap tall buildings, for a "pragmatist and stoic" person you are highly illogical.

I will conclude by your lack of understanding of simple ethics and you right wing ideals that there is no point arguing with you...

Ciao
 
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Originally posted by Anttech
lol... Ok You don't seem to understand Sarcasim or wit, perhaps you don't have the "Funny" Gene or something (..T.H.A.T. W.A.S. A J.O.K.E..)

I don't believe in humor.


the process of thinking and inteligence cannot be described as above and Inteligence is hardly understood by humans and by you...

We understand a great deal about psychometrics and the biology/physiology of intelligence. You just have not been exposed to the research.

I won't define evil for you, you can go and figure that one out...

"Evil" is subjective. Just look at all religions, they all think other people are "evil" and will to to Hell. Your own ancestors would have completely different opinions from you of what is "evil" and what is not. So, we should look at behavior from an evolutionary point of view. Behaviors that are considered acceptable are ones that facilitate reproductive success.

Why would a human need to Leap tall buildings

Not all humans need to, but I need to since I am a futurist.

Carlos Hernandez
 
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This whole thread just makes me imagine Carlos-bot walking into his bedroom, underwear around his ankles, and declaring in a metallic, robotic monotone:

"IT IS NOW TIME FOR COPULATING. INSERT PENIS INTO VAGINA IMMEDIATELY FOR THE GENERATION OF OFFSPRING."

...64 seconds later...

"THE COPULATION HAS BEEN COMPLETED. PLEASE STANDBY FOR BLASTOCYST IMPLANTATION."

I wonder, Carlos, will you boff your wife for fun? Maybe even for emotional satisfaction? Or will you just inseminate her the three times necessary to spawn your desired litter of robopups? Do you disbelieve in fun as you disbelieve in humor?

What's funny is that you have your whole little eugenic science project family all laid out -- but you're missing one essential ingredient: ova. I wonder when you'll realize that having a little eugenic science project family all laid out is a better contraceptive than pepper spray.

- Warren
 
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Originally posted by chroot
This whole thread just makes me imagine Carlos-bot walking into his bedroom, underwear around his ankles, and declaring in a metallic, robotic monotone:

"IT IS NOW TIME FOR COPULATING. INSERT PENIS INTO VAGINA IMMEDIATELY FOR THE GENERATION OF OFFSPRING."

...64 seconds later...

"THE COPULATION HAS BEEN COMPLETED. PLEASE STANDBY FOR BLASTOCYST IMPLANTATION."

I wonder, Carlos, will you boff your wife for fun? Maybe even for emotional satisfaction? Or will you just inseminate her the three times necessary to spawn your desired litter of robopups? Do you disbelieve in fun as you disbelieve in humor?

What's funny is that you have your whole little eugenic science project family all laid out -- but you're missing one essential ingredient: ova. I wonder when you'll realize that having a little eugenic science project family all laid out is a better contraceptive than pepper spray.

- Warren

Your above comments have no practical purpose. Are you trying to generate the emotion of hurt in me? I have blocked out hurt, I never get offended, so you would be wasting your time.

Or are you not trying to create hurt in me, but simply are entertaining yourself?

Or are you trying to entertain other members by arrousing the emotion of humor in them?

Please explain your purpose. You are greatly distroying the quality of this forum with your unintellectual comments.

On a separate note, you appear to not have the personality required to be a mentor/moderator and perhaps the administrator should reconsider his decision.

Regards,

Carlos Hernandez
 
  • #29
Originally posted by Carlos Hernandez
Your above comments have no practical purpose. Are you trying to generate the emotion of hurt in me? I have blocked out hurt, I never get offended, so you would be wasting your time.
*Pulls out his abnormal psych textbook*

- Warren
 
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Originally posted by chroot
*Pulls out his abnormal psych textbook*

- Warren

Correct, I have an eccentric personality.

Carlos Hernandez
 
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Originally posted by Carlos Hernandez
Please don't reduce the quality of this forum by engaging in ad hominem.

Originally posted by Carlos Hernandez

On a separate note, you appear to not have the personality required to be a mentor/moderator and perhaps the administrator should reconsider his decision.

Now that's a personal attack. Chill out dude.
 
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lol :)
 
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what a fun thread this is. you at least seem to be good at spurring conversation carlos.

I too subscribe to a sort of functionalism and utilitarianism, but think we need to use some humility before we disregard the seemingly illogical dirty things in life.

Lets start with the assumption that we like all other animals have been shaped by evolution to be able to survive and reproduce in our environment (and of course based on the historical happinstances that shaped us). This does lead to a sort of functionalism-> do the behavior which will cause maximum survival and reproduction

However this neglects two major points that I can think of:

that many of the seemingly illogical things to you, such as humor may have have value. things like humor have evolved through genetic and cultural means which probably serve such purposes as group cohesion and allowing greater communication abilities (or humor could be a biproduct of evolution)

we can look at the utilitarian value of our actions and things in general not just in terms of how x behavior or partner increases my personal genetic propogation. we can also realize that we are fundamentally embedded and dependent upon our culture, and that cultures, and ideas may also be units of natural selection at higher levels of organization.

so my story is look at your actions in the form of their larger impact on society. don't be a ****ing vulcan, our emotions and subconscious feelings have much to teach and guide us (timothy wilson's book "strangers to ourselves" gets into some of these ideas. if you request I will recount some of the studies which seem to back this line of thinking up)




(i realize i may have made some presumptions about your personality, but I hope I have generally portrayed my points such that we dont' need to get too caught up in the specific details and perhaps can start discussing this sort of personality archetype from a detached point of view.. yippee our perception of carlos's personality has now become our science project)
 
  • #34
I'm sure Carlos is just messing with you. He seems somewhat intelligent, so I'm sure he realizes that if he continues acting like a robot he's not going to be getting laid without a credit card.
 
  • #35
Qualities of attractiveness is the same for all sexes. Ask any male/female disirable qualities that one wants in a "dream creature" of the opposite gender, would be, the answers are generally the same. Physical apperances rank high among both sexes among Northern and Equitorial descendents, yet here is where the similarities end. Even though primitive instincts is the root for sexual desires, it is more complex when surrounding stimuli occurring during social developmental phases are thrown into the equation. Religion, is a great deciding factor, all major religions request that both entities be virgins at marriage, Yet Hinduism requires that one must marry within the social caste system for example. Yet forming deep emotional bonds with one that does not meet all expections can be harmful, therefore causing the astounding jump in mental health patients that started with the 60s free love, and social intercourse idea. Yet with the influx of the media culture, a person is exposed to so many cultures and sensual ideas, a mind cannot fully comprehend what personal wants and needs should be met. Therin the 50% divorce rate.

And Mr. Hernandez
Humor is a disirable quality for many people, Once again due to the result of media culture.
 

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