Is the equivalent lens of two such that f_1+f_2<h divergent?

In summary, the focal of the lens equivalent of two thin lenses at distance h is determined by the equation 1/f=1/f_1+1/f_2+h/(f_1 f_2). If f_1 and f_2 are both positive (convergent lenses), and their sum is less than h, the equivalent lens should be divergent. However, this may not be the case in all situations, as shown in Fig. 5.30 where a real, erect image can be formed with two convergent lenses even when their focal lengths are less than the distance between them. This may be due to the condition that f_1+f_2 >h, where f_1 is to the right
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The focal of the lens equivalent of two thin lens at distance h is
$$1/f=1/f_1+1/f_2+h/(f_1 f_2)$$

Therefore, supposing that ##f_1>0## and ##f_2>0## (both lenses are convergent), if ##f_1+f_2 <h## then the equivalent lens should be divergent.

Nevertheless consider the example in picture
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The two lenses have focals such that ##f_1+f_2 <h## but the image is real, i.e. the equivalent lens cannot be divergent. I understood the ray diagram, but how can this hold true?
 
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crick said:
Therefore, supposing that f1>0f1>0f_1>0 and f2>0f2>0f_2>0 (both lenses are convergent), if f1+f2<hf1+f2<hf_1+f_2
Can you quote the source for this claim?
 
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Check out Fig. 5.30 here: http://engineering.tufts.edu/bme/people/georgakoudi/EN31Lab4ThinLensCombinations.pdf

It shows two thin lenses separated by a distance greater than the sum of their focal lengths and a real, erect image.
 
  • #4
Maybe the condition for the equivalent lens to be diverging is ##f_1+f_2 >h## . In that case, f1 is to the right of f2 in your diagram. A real image formed by the first lens will be within a focal length of the second lens and the result will be a virtual image.
 

1. What is the meaning of "equivalent lens"?

The term "equivalent lens" refers to a combination of two lenses that have the same effect on an incoming light ray as a single lens. This means that if the two lenses are placed together, they will produce the same focal length and image as a single lens.

2. How do you determine if the equivalent lens is divergent?

If the sum of the focal lengths of the two lenses is less than the distance between them, the equivalent lens is considered to be divergent. This can be determined by comparing the focal lengths of the individual lenses and calculating their sum.

3. What is the significance of f_1+f_2

The inequality f_1+f_2

4. Can two convergent lenses also have an equivalent lens with f_1+f_2

No, two convergent lenses cannot have an equivalent lens with f_1+f_2

5. How is the equivalent lens useful in optics and lens design?

The concept of an equivalent lens is useful in determining the combined effect of multiple lenses on an incoming light ray. It can also be used in lens design to create a desired focal length or magnification by combining different lenses with known focal lengths. Additionally, understanding the properties of equivalent lenses can help in troubleshooting and correcting lens aberrations.

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