Is 2√(7)+4 an Irrational Number? Exploring the Proof of Its Irrationality

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of "continued decimal number" and its relation to rational and irrational numbers. It is explained that while a rational number like 1/3 can have a non-terminating decimal representation, this is not the reason why 2√7 + 4 is irrational. The conversation also delves into the proof that √7 is irrational by showing that it would result in a contradiction if it were rational.
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What, exactly, do you mean by "continued decimal number"? If you mean simply that it is not a terminating decimal, a rational number such as 1/3 has that property. That's not the reason $2\sqrt{7}+ 4$ is irrational.
First, the rational numbers are "closed under subtraction and division" so if $x= 2\sqrt{7}+ 4$ were rational so would be $\sqrt{7}= (x- 4)/2$. And if $\sqrt{7}$ were rational then there would exist integers, a and b, with no common factors, such that $\sqrt{7}= \frac{a}{b}$. From that $7= \frac{a^2}{b^2}$ and $a^2= 7b^2$. That is, $a^2$ has a factor of 7 and, since 7 is a prime number, a has a factor of 7. a= 7n for some integer n so $a^2= 49n^2= 7b^2$. Then $b^2= 7n^2$ so, as before, b has a factor of 7, contradicting the fact that a and b has no factors in common.
 
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What, exactly, do you mean by "continued decimal number"? If you mean simply that it is not a terminating decimal, a rational number such as 1/3 has that property. That's not the reason [tex]2\sqrt{7}+ 4[/tex] is irrational.

First, the rational numbers are "closed under subtraction and division" so if [tex]x= 2\sqrt{7}+ 4[/tex] were rational so would be [tex]\sqrt{7}= (x- 4)/2[/tex]. And if [tex]\sqrt{7}[/tex] were rational then there would exist integers, a and b, with no common factors, such that [tex]\sqrt{7}= \frac{a}{b}[/tex]. From that [tex]7= \frac{a^2}{b^2}[/tex] and [tex]a^2= 7b^2[/tex]. That is, [tex]a^2[/tex] has a factor of 7 and, since 7 is a prime number, a has a factor of 7. a= 7n for some integer n so [tex]a^2= 49n^2= 7b^2[/tex]. Then [tex]b^2= 7n^2[/tex] so, as before, b has a factor of 7, contradicting the fact that a and b has no factors in common.

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Related to Is 2√(7)+4 an Irrational Number? Exploring the Proof of Its Irrationality

1. What is a rational number?

A rational number is any number that can be expressed as a ratio of two integers (numbers without decimal points or fractions). This includes whole numbers, fractions, and terminating or repeating decimals.

2. How do you determine if a number is rational?

To determine if a number is rational, you can check if it can be written as a fraction in its simplest form. If the number can be expressed as a ratio of two integers, then it is rational.

3. Is 2√(7)+4 a rational number?

No, 2√(7)+4 is not a rational number. This is because the square root of 7 is an irrational number (a number that cannot be expressed as a ratio of two integers), and when added to 4, the result is still irrational.

4. Can a rational number be written in radical form?

Yes, a rational number can be written in radical form. For example, the rational number 3/4 can be written as √(9)/√(16).

5. What is the difference between a rational and an irrational number?

The main difference between rational and irrational numbers is that rational numbers can be expressed as a ratio of two integers, while irrational numbers cannot. Irrational numbers are also non-terminating and non-repeating, while rational numbers can be either terminating or repeating decimals.

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