Atlas3 said:Would someone like to have a conversation with me about the bounds of the universe and energy?
wabbit said:I'm afraid you won't find that here, have you had a chance to look at the forum rules ?
Why is mass in the universe bounded?wabbit said:No I'm not, just a wabbit here : )
Sorry if I sounded abrupt, it wasn't my intention. The guidelines are here : https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/physics-forums-global-guidelines.414380/
There's no proof that it is, we don't know. What is bounded is the mass in the observable universe, but I'm stuck for a proof here. I would say because we know (or at least we have good evidence that) the observable universe has a finite volume (there's a limit to how far we can see), and finite volumes can contain only a finite number of particles.Atlas3 said:Why is mass in the universe bounded?
wabbit said:the observable universe has a finite volume (there's a limit to how far we can see), and finite volumes can contain only a finite number of particles.
wabbit said:There's no proof that it is, we don't know. What is bounded is the mass in the observable universe, but I'm stuck for a proof here. I would say because we know (or at least we have good evidence that) the observable universe has a finite volume (there's a limit to how far we can see), and finite volumes can contain only a finite number of particles.
PeterDonis said:Yes, exactly.
There does not seem to be a limit on how many particles there are? Exactly that there is no distance between them and an infinite number of them. I could call them Dark Particles.PeterDonis said:Yes, exactly.
Atlas3 said:there is no distance between them
mass and particle are not the same thing. I don't mean discovered particles in my thoughts, or charged particles that cannot become close. More of an substance of ether in what i was thinking. I don't know the definition of point. I really cannot describe what i think the size of infinity is. To me it does not exist a countable finite size when considering infinity and particles. They don't have to be a part of something.PeterDonis said:This is not correct. What we are calling "particles" are not really point particles; they can't get arbitrarily close together. A better way of phrasing all this would be that a finite volume can only contain a finite mass.
Atlas3 said:More of an substance of ether in what i was thinking.
When we say that the universe is bounded but infinite, we mean that it has a finite size or boundary, but it does not have an end or edge. This means that the universe continues infinitely in all directions.
There is currently no concrete evidence to support this idea. However, some theories, such as the "Poincaré dodecahedral space" model, suggest that the universe may have a finite but unbounded shape.
In a finite universe, there is a definite boundary or edge, and beyond that boundary, there is nothing. In a bounded but infinite universe, there is still a boundary, but it does not have an end, and the universe continues infinitely beyond it.
It is currently unknown what exists beyond the boundaries of a bounded but infinite universe. Some theories suggest that there may be other universes or dimensions beyond our own.
It is difficult for us as humans to fully comprehend the concept of a bounded but infinite universe, as our understanding is limited by our perception and current scientific knowledge. However, with continued research and advancements in technology, we may be able to gain a better understanding of this concept in the future.