I thought springs can only pull

In summary: On page 1 of the problem, there are two masses, M and 3M, connected by a spring. When the spring is burned off, the masses push each other away. Dave understands the momentum conservation and how to work the problem, but he doesn't understand why the springs would behave this way. If the blocks were at rest initially, then the spring would have no energy. However, even if the spring did have energy, it would come from the kinetic energy of the blocks moving to the left and right.
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http://faculty.mint.ua.edu/~pleclair/ph125/Misc/exam2_form_a_solns.pdf

On page 1, problem 1, where it shows a mass M and another mass 3M connected by a cord and spring. Then the cord is burned off, and then the spring "pushes the blocks away" I get the momentum conservation and how to work the problem, but I don't get why the springs would behave like this and push the blocks? If the blocks were at rest initially, then the spring is neither stretched nor compressed, it is at its relaxed state and so it has no energy at all. But even if it did, this would come from kinetic energy of the blocks moving to the left/right, and stretching the spring to the left/right, so then the moment the cord is cut , wouldn't the spring *pull* the blocks towards each other ?

Thanks
 
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reyrey389 said:
If the blocks were at rest initially, then the spring is neither stretched nor compressed
Why?
 
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reyrey389 said:
but I don't get why the springs would behave like this and push the blocks? If the blocks were at rest initially, then the spring is neither stretched nor compressed, it is at its relaxed state and so it has no energy at all.
You didn't read the problem correctly did you :wink: ...

spring problem.GIF


Reread the second sentence ... what does it say ?cheers
Dave
 
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The idea that a spring pulls back to its relaxed state after being stretched is merely one particular case of a more general statement about springs. Namely, if the length of a spring is perturbed from its equilibrium length, the spring exerts a restoring force, opposite to the perturbation, that attempts to recover the equilibrium situation. The perturbation can, of course, be in either direction, so the restoring force can be a push or a pull.
 
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Yeah I read it wrong, from what I understand, the blocks were initially pushed towards each other and this was balanced by the spring force, to give a net force of zero, and to keep the blocks at rest. But the forces that oppose the spring force pushing the blocks away, is it only the tension in the cord , or is there an additional applied force from the persons hand squeezing them together ? It makes more sense this way, cause if the blocks are at rest, I can't picture how Tension alone can pull them towards each other. So shouldn't F_applied + Tension = Spring Force (Initially) or is it only Tension = Spring Force
 
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the blocks are pushed close together, compressing the spring between them. Whilst they are in that state, the cord is attached between the 2 blocks
to keep them together ( and the spring compressed). The cord is under tension, the compressed spring has stored energy
when the cord breaks, the energy in the spring is released, returning it to its uncompressed state and also pushing the blocks apartDave
 

Related to I thought springs can only pull

1. How do springs work?

Springs work by storing potential energy when they are stretched or compressed. This potential energy is then released as kinetic energy when the spring returns to its original shape.

2. Can springs only pull?

No, springs can also push. When a spring is compressed, it exerts a force in the opposite direction, pushing objects away.

3. What factors affect a spring's strength?

The strength of a spring depends on its material, size, and shape. Thicker and longer springs tend to be stronger, and certain materials like steel are more elastic than others.

4. How much weight can a spring hold?

The weight a spring can hold depends on its strength and length. Generally, the longer and thicker the spring, the more weight it can hold without deforming or breaking.

5. Can springs be used for anything besides pulling or pushing?

Yes, springs have a wide variety of uses in everyday objects. They can be used to store energy in watches and toys, absorb shock in car suspensions, and even control the movement of doors and pens.

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