How to Find the Curve σ from Intersection of Surfaces?

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In summary, the conversation discusses how to calculate the integral of a given curve, $\sigma$, which is the intersection of two surfaces. The curve is parameterized as an ellipse, and the interval of $t$ is determined to be 0 to 2pi. The conversation also mentions finding the orientation, but it is not clear how to do so.
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Hey! :eek:

I want t calculate $\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)$ when $\sigma$ is the curve that traces once the intersection of the surfaces with equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$ with positive direction while we look the traces from the point $(0,0,0)$. We have that $$\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)=\int_{\sigma}(y, z, x)\cdot (dx,dy,dz)=\int_{\sigma}f(x,y,z)\cdot d\sigma$$ with $f(x,y,z)= (y, z, x)$.

The curve $\sigma$ is the intersection of the surfaces with equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$.
So, we have that $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y) \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=2\cdot 2 \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=4$.

How can we get the curve $\sigma$ ? Could you give me a hint? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :eek:

I want t calculate $\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)$ when $\sigma$ is the curve that traces once the intersection of the surfaces with equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$ with positive direction while we look the traces from the point $(0,0,0)$. We have that $$\int_{\sigma}(ydx+zdy+xdz)=\int_{\sigma}(y, z, x)\cdot (dx,dy,dz)=\int_{\sigma}f(x,y,z)\cdot d\sigma$$ with $f(x,y,z)= (y, z, x)$.

The curve $\sigma$ is the intersection of the surfaces with equations $x+y=2$ and $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y)$.
So, we have that $x^2+y^2+z^2=2(x+y) \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=2\cdot 2 \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=4$.

How can we get the curve $\sigma$ ? Could you give me a hint? (Wondering)
Since x+ y= 2, y= 2- x. Then $x^2+ y^2+ z^2= x^2+ x^2- 4x+ 4+ z^2= 2(x^2- 2x+ 2)+ z^2= 4$. Completing the square, $2(x^2- 2x+ 1)+ 1+ z^2= 2(x+ 1)^2+ z^2+ 1= 4$. $2(x+ 1)^2+ z^2= 3$, an ellipse. To parameterize it, let $x= \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2} cos(\theta)- 1$, $y= 2- x= 3- \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2}cos(\theta)$, and $z= \sqrt{3} sin(\theta)$.
 
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Since x+ y= 2, y= 2- x. Then $x^2+ y^2+ z^2= x^2+ x^2- 4x+ 4+ z^2= 2(x^2- 2x+ 2)+ z^2= 4$. Completing the square, $2(x^2- 2x+ 1)+ 1+ z^2= 2(x+ 1)^2+ z^2+ 1= 4$. $2(x+ 1)^2+ z^2= 3$, an ellipse. To parameterize it, let $x= \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2} cos(\theta)- 1$, $y= 2- x= 3- \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2}cos(\theta)$, and $z= \sqrt{3} sin(\theta)$.

Ah ok!

So, we have the following:

\begin{align*}x^2+y^2+z^2=4 & \Rightarrow x^2+(2-x)^2+z^2=4 \\ & \Rightarrow x^2+4-4x+x^2+z^2=4 \\ & \Rightarrow 2x^2-4x+z^2=0 \\ & \Rightarrow 2(x^2-2x)+z^2 =0 \\ & \Rightarrow 2(x^2-2x+1-1)+z^2 =0 \\ & \Rightarrow 2(x-1)^2-2+z^2=0 \\ & \Rightarrow 2(x-1)^2+z^2=2 \\ & \Rightarrow (x-1)^2+\frac{z^2}{2}=1 \\ & \Rightarrow (x-1)^2+\left (\frac{z}{\sqrt{2}}\right )^2=1\end{align*}
So, we set $x-1=\cos t\Rightarrow x=\cos t+1$ and $\frac{z}{\sqrt{2}}=\sin t\Rightarrow z=\sqrt{2}\sin t$. Then $y=2-x =1-\cos t$.

Therefore, we get the curve $\sigma (t)=(\cos t +1, 1-\cos t, \sqrt{2}\sin t)$, right? (Wondering)
mathmari said:
with positive direction while we look the traces from the point $(0,0,0)$.

Do we use this information to determine the interval of $t$ ? (Wondering)
 
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Yep. If we fill in the result in the original equations, everything fits! (Happy)

I don't how we're supposed to find the orientation, but the interval is 0 to 2pi, since that's the interval for an ellipse. (Thinking)
 
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I like Serena said:
Yep. If we fill in the result in the original equations, everything fits! (Happy)

I don't how we're supposed to find the orientation, but the interval is 0 to 2pi, since that's the interval for an ellipse. (Thinking)

Thank you! (Smile)
 

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1. What is the curve σ and why is it important in science?

The curve σ, also known as the standard deviation, is a statistical measure that describes the spread or variability of data around the mean. It is important in science because it helps us understand how precise and reliable our data is, and can also be used to make predictions about future data.

2. How do we calculate the curve σ?

The standard deviation can be calculated by finding the average distance of each data point from the mean, squaring these distances, summing them, dividing by the number of data points, and then taking the square root. This can be done using a mathematical formula or with the help of statistical software.

3. Can we use the curve σ to compare different sets of data?

Yes, the standard deviation can be used to compare the variability of different data sets. A smaller standard deviation indicates that the data points are closer to the mean, while a larger standard deviation indicates a wider spread of data points.

4. How does the curve σ relate to the normal distribution?

The normal distribution, also known as the bell curve, is a probability distribution that is commonly seen in nature and in many scientific studies. The standard deviation is used to calculate the width of the bell curve and can help us understand how likely it is for a data point to fall within a certain range of values.

5. Are there any limitations to using the curve σ in scientific research?

While the standard deviation is a useful measure, it does have some limitations. It assumes that the data is normally distributed, meaning it follows a bell-shaped curve, which may not always be the case. Additionally, extreme outliers in the data can greatly impact the standard deviation and should be considered when interpreting its value.

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