How to find gravity using general relativity?

In summary: If you want to move up a bit in scale, and ask how astronomers figure out gravity in the solar system, then to get the best accuracy you DO need to include the effects of general relativity.
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Christian Grey
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How to find gravity of an object, like mirror,glass,tree,house etc using general relativity? Because every object exerts gravity.
 
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Christian Grey said:
How to find gravity of an object

What exactly do you mean by "the gravity of an object"?
 
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Like Earth exerts a gravity on an object, objects like glass,mirror,tree etc should also exert gravity on other objects.
 
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Christian Grey said:
Like Earth exerts a gravity on an object, objects like glass,mirror,tree etc should also exert gravity on other objects.
"Gravity" is a curvature of space-time. It isn't "exerted". I think you mean gravitational force.

Use this equation:

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russ_watters said:
"Gravity" is a curvature of space-time. It isn't "exerted". I think you mean gravitational force.

If the objects are stationary with respect to each other, you can use this equation:

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As light is bent by the gravitation of the sun, If I am in a room, there are different objects,can path of light also be effected by those objects like that are common in everyday life, like trees, houses etc.
 
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Christian Grey said:
As light is bent by the gravitation of the sun...
Not exactly: light follows a straight path in space that is curved, which makes it appear to us to curve.
If I am in a room, there are different objects,can path of light also be effected by those objects like that are common in everyday life, like trees, houses etc.
Technically yes, but for small objects that are nearby, the effect would be far too small to be measurable. It's barely measurable for the sun!
 
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russ_watters said:
Not exactly: light follows a straight path in space that is curved, which makes it appear to us to curve.

Technically yes, but for small objects that are nearby, the effect would be far too small to be measurable. It's barely measurable for the sun!

So can it be said that refraction(bending of light) of light through a glass, water etc is due to gravitation of glass,water?
 
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Christian Grey said:
So can it be said that refraction(bending of light) of light through a glass, water etc is due to gravitation of glass,water?
No, for the reason I gave.
 
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Christian Grey said:
can it be said that refraction(bending of light) of light through a glass, water etc is due to gravitation of glass,water?

No, it's due to the electromagnetic properties of the glass or the water (specifically their refractive index). It has nothing to do with their gravity, which, as russ_watters pointed out, is much, much too weak to bend light measurably.

Christian Grey said:
every object exerts gravity.

This is true in principle--in GR we would put it, as others have pointed out, that every object produces spacetime curvature. But how much spacetime curvature an object produces depends on how massive it is (actually it's more complicated than that, but for ordinary objects this approximation will do). Ordinary objects like mirrors, trees, houses, etc. have much, much, much too little mass to produce measurable spacetime curvature. It takes an object the size of a planet or star or larger to do that.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Ordinary objects like mirrors, trees, houses, etc. have much, much, much too little mass to produce measurable spacetime curvature.
*Ahem*: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment :rolleyes:
Those spheres where order 100 kg and clearly produced measurable spacetime curvature. Of course, it is not noticeable in everyday life, but it is measurable.
 
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Orodruin said:
Those spheres where order 100 kg and clearly produced measurable spacetime curvature.

Yes, good point; sensitive enough equipment can detect some gravitational effects of ordinary objects. But only some of them. Detecting, for example, the bending of light passing a 100 kg sphere is far beyond our current capabilities.
 
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However, the difference between the predictions of Newton's law of gravitation and Einstein's general relativity, for an experiment on the scale of Cavendish's, are so tiny as to be unmeasureable, as far as I know.
 
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Christian Grey said:
How to find gravity of an object, like mirror,glass,tree,house etc using general relativity? Because every object exerts gravity.

As others have said, the short answer is "don't bother, just use Newtonian gravity, it's good enough for that purpose".

If you want to move up a bit in scale, and ask how astronomers figure out gravity in the solar system, then to get the best accuracy you DO need to include the effects of general relativity. Furthermore, people have actually done so, because it's an important problem, so you can look up the results of their work. The details get extremely technical, but I'll mention that the output of all the work is a possibly unfamiliar object known as a metric, and it's coverd by something called the IAU 2000 resolutions.

If you want to see the end result, take a look at http://syrte.obspm.fr/IAU_resolutions/Resol-UAI.htm. It's not particularly friendly as written. I recall seeing some papers that purport to "explain" them, but unless you have more background than I think, the explanations won't be significantly less opaque than the IAU resoutions themselves.

Just to make life more interesting, I was just reading that there is some talk about "extending" the IAU metric, see http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2012mgm..conf..722M for instance.
 

Related to How to find gravity using general relativity?

1. How does general relativity explain gravity?

According to general relativity, gravity is not a force between masses, but rather a curvature of space and time caused by the presence of mass and energy. This curvature is what we experience as the force of gravity.

2. What is the equation for calculating gravity using general relativity?

The equation for calculating gravity using general relativity is known as the Einstein field equations. It is a set of 10 nonlinear partial differential equations that describe the relationship between the curvature of space-time and the distribution of matter and energy.

3. How does general relativity differ from Newton's theory of gravity?

Newton's theory of gravity is based on the concept of gravitational force between masses, while general relativity explains gravity as a curvature of space and time. Additionally, general relativity takes into account the effects of acceleration and energy on the curvature of space-time, while Newton's theory does not.

4. Can general relativity explain the movements of celestial bodies?

Yes, general relativity has been successful in predicting and explaining the movements of celestial bodies, such as planets, stars, and galaxies. It has been tested and confirmed by numerous observations and experiments, including the precession of Mercury's orbit and the bending of light by massive objects.

5. How can we test and verify the predictions of general relativity?

General relativity has been extensively tested and verified through various methods, including astronomical observations, laboratory experiments, and technological applications such as GPS. Some current areas of research involve testing the theory in extreme conditions, such as near black holes, to further validate its predictions.

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