How to find deceleration to stop collision with moving body?

In summary, the locomotive moving at 29.0 km/h will experience a deceleration of -0.994 m/s2 when it collides with the train traveling at 161 km/h.
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Eclair_de_XII
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Homework Statement


"When a high-speed passenger train traveling at 161 km/h rounds a bend, the engineer is shocked to see that a locomotive has improperly entered onto the track from a siding and is a distance D = 676 m ahead (Fig.2-29). The locomotive is moving at 29.0 km/h. The engineer of the high-speed train immediately applies the brakes. What must be the magnitude of the resulting constant deceleration if a collision is to be just avoided?"

Homework Equations


##v_A=44.72 \frac{m}{s}##
##v_B=8.056 \frac{m}{s}##
##x_0=0m##
##x_1=676m##
##x_2 - x_1 = v_0t+\frac{1}{2}at^2##
##a_B = 0 \frac{m}{s^2}##
##x_2 = (8.056 \frac{m}{s})(t) + (676m)##
##x - x_0 = \frac{1}{2}(v_0+v)t##
Answer as given by book: -0.994 m/s2

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I used the last equation on the list, expressing ##x_2## in terms of t...

##(8.056 \frac{m}{s})(t) + (676m) - x_0= \frac{1}{2}(44.72\frac{m}{s})t##
since ##x_0=0\frac{m}{s^2}##
##(16.1\frac{m}{s})t+1352m=(44.72\frac{m}{s})t##
##t(16.1\frac{m}{s}-44.72\frac{m}{s}) = -1352m##
##t(-28.62\frac{m}{s})=-1352m##
##t=47.26s##

Then I plugged this time into the original distance equation to find the distance traveled by the locomotive plus 676:

##x_2 = (8.056 \frac{m}{s})(47.26) + (676m) = 1056.7m##

Then using this distance, I used the formula: ##x-x_0=v_0t+\frac{1}{2}at^2##, while substituting the appropriate values.

##1056.7m=(44.72 \frac{m}{s})(47.26s)+\frac{1}{2}a(47.26s)^2##
##2113.4m=4226.9344m+a(2233.51s^2)##
##-2113.5344m=a(2233.51s^2)##
##a=-0.946\frac{m}{s^2} ≠ -0.994\frac{m}{s^2}##

I have some confidence that I did this right, since the answers match up so closely. I was thinking the book had some kind of misprint, but I just wanted to see if I was doing this problem correctly or not, just to make sure.
 
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The train does not need to stop to avoid collision with the other one.
 
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I get it. So it just has to slow down to the point that its velocity equals that of the locomotive it is to avoid contact with.

##(8.056\frac{m}{s})t+676=\frac{1}{2}(44.72\frac{m}{s}+8.056\frac{m}{s})t##
##(16.11\frac{m}{s})+1352m=(52.78\frac{m}{s})t##
##t=36.873s##
##x_2=(8.056\frac{m}{s})(36.873s)+676m=973.03m##
##973.03=(44.72\frac{m}{s})(36.873s)+\frac{1}{2}a(36.873s)^2##
##1946.061m=3297.92m+a(1359.62s^2)##
##-1351.8594m=a(1359.62s^2)##
##a=-0.994\frac{m}{s^2}##
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
I get it. So it just has to slow down to the point that its velocity equals that of the locomotive it is to avoid contact with.

##(8.056\frac{m}{s})t+676=\frac{1}{2}(44.72\frac{m}{s}+8.056\frac{m}{s})t##
##(16.11\frac{m}{s})+1352m=(52.78\frac{m}{s})t##
##t=36.873s##
##x_2=(8.056\frac{m}{s})(36.873s)+676m=973.03m##
##973.03=(44.72\frac{m}{s})(36.873s)+\frac{1}{2}a(36.873s)^2##
##1946.061m=3297.92m+a(1359.62s^2)##
##-1351.8594m=a(1359.62s^2)##
##a=-0.994\frac{m}{s^2}##
Well done, but there is an easier way. Consider the motions relative to the slow locomotive. That one is stationary; how fast is the other approaching, at first? Given the initial relative speed, the final relative speed (0) and the initial separation, what equation will give you the acceleration directly?
 
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Relative speed, huh? So the speed of the faster locomotive relative to the slower one. I tried fooling around with the numbers, subtracting the speed of the slower train from the faster train.

##v=44.72\frac{m}{s}-8.05\frac{m}{s} = 36.67\frac{m}{s}##
##v_0=0\frac{m}{s}##
##x=0m##
##x_0=676m##
##v^2=v_0^2+2a(x-x_0)##
##(36.67\frac{m}{s})^2=2a(-676m)##
##1344.44\frac{m^2}{s^2}=2a(-676m)##
##a=-0.944116\frac{m}{s^2}##

Is that right?
 
  • #6
Eclair_de_XII said:
Relative speed, huh? So the speed of the faster locomotive relative to the slower one. I tried fooling around with the numbers, subtracting the speed of the slower train from the faster train.

##v=44.72\frac{m}{s}-8.05\frac{m}{s} = 36.67\frac{m}{s}##
##v_0=0\frac{m}{s}##
##x=0m##
##x_0=676m##
##v^2=v_0^2+2a(x-x_0)##
##(36.67\frac{m}{s})^2=2a(-676m)##
##1344.44\frac{m^2}{s^2}=2a(-676m)##
##a=-0.944116\frac{m}{s^2}##

Is that right?
That's the right method, but using it I got -0.994.
 
  • #7
Oh, I made a typo; it was -0.9944116.
 
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Related to How to find deceleration to stop collision with moving body?

1. How do I calculate the deceleration needed to stop a collision with a moving body?

To calculate deceleration, you will need to know the initial velocity of the moving body, its final velocity (which should be zero if you want to stop it completely), and the time it takes to come to a stop. You can then use the formula a = (vf-vi)/t, where a is the deceleration, vf is the final velocity, vi is the initial velocity, and t is the time.

2. How do I determine the initial velocity of the moving body in order to calculate deceleration?

The initial velocity can be determined by measuring the distance the body has traveled and the time it took to travel that distance. You can then use the formula vi = d/t, where vi is the initial velocity, d is the distance traveled, and t is the time it took to travel that distance.

3. Can I use the same formula to calculate deceleration for any type of collision?

Yes, the formula a = (vf-vi)/t can be used for any type of collision as long as you have the necessary information, such as the initial and final velocities and the time it takes to come to a stop.

4. Is there a specific unit for deceleration?

Yes, the unit for deceleration is meters per second squared (m/s²) in the metric system. In the imperial system, it is commonly measured in feet per second squared (ft/s²).

5. Can deceleration be negative?

Yes, deceleration can be negative, which is also known as acceleration. This occurs when the final velocity is greater than the initial velocity, resulting in a decrease in speed. However, when calculating deceleration for a collision, it is typically assumed to be positive as the goal is to slow down or stop the moving body.

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