How long since the oceans were fresh-water?

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In summary, the oceans are gradually becoming more saline due to the salt and other minerals in the oceans being dissolved into the oceans as a result of the perpetual rainfall cycle. If this is the case, how long ago was the sea fresh? The salt in the water is in equilibrium with salt in the soil at the bottom of the sea, so the 'saltiness' of the sea remains constant.
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This may seem odd but I see the oceans as a collective 'sump' that is gradually becoming more saline.
The salt and other minerals in the oceans must have been dissolved into the oceans as a result of the perpetual rainfall cycle of evaporation and precipitation and emptying into the seas through the Earth's rivers.
If that could be said to be the case, how far back can we extrapolate until the seas were fresh?
There must be some measure of the amount of solvents entering the oceans through the rivers, so given the present state of the seas we ought to be able to calculate/estimate how long it has taken to reach the present concentrations.
also, how long before the sea dies of salt?
 
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You have assumed a unidirectional transport of solutes. Fluxes from land to sea and from sea to land are both fairly well known (give or take a factor of two or three). Sodium chloride as an example has a residence time of 70 Ma (this is a thirty year old number, and may have changed a bit); that means that the quantity of salt in the oceans is "increasing" by some rate that is approximately equal to the rate at which it is aerosolized for aeolian transport to land, trapped in salt pans/evaporite deposits (Dead Sea, Great Rift area, Death Valley, Lake Bonneville, etc.), and those rates are of a magnitude that integrated over the residence time, there is a total exchange of the salt in the oceans.
 
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In the 19th century this was used to "prove" that the Earth is not millions of years old: that the seas would have to be much saltier if it were. The flaw in the reasoning is that the salt in the water is in equilibrium with salt in the soil at the bottom of the sea. More salt coming into the sea causes salt to be dropped out of solution into the soil so that the 'saltiness' of the sea remains constant.
 
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It seems AFAIK that the salinity of all body fluids of the majority of creatures (including salt water fish, fresh water fish and mammals) is roughly the same. The natural salinity. I couldn't find numbers but some biologist could help us out here. It is assumed that this resembled the salinity of the oceans during some stage in the evolution some millions to a billion of years ago, to prevent adverse effects of http://www.tvdsb.on.ca/westmin/science/sbi3a1/Cells/Osmosis.htm . Not an unreasonable idea.
 
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Related to How long since the oceans were fresh-water?

1. How do scientists determine how long ago the oceans were fresh-water?

Scientists use a variety of methods, such as analyzing sediment cores, studying the chemical composition of ancient rocks, and examining fossilized remains of marine organisms, to determine the salinity levels of the oceans in the past.

2. What caused the oceans to become salty?

The oceans became salty over millions of years due to the continuous process of erosion and weathering of rocks, which releases minerals and salts into the water. These minerals and salts are carried by rivers and streams into the oceans, gradually increasing their salinity.

3. When did the oceans first become salty?

The oceans began to accumulate salts and become salty approximately 3.8 billion years ago during the Archean Eon. However, the process of salt accumulation was gradual and the oceans were not as salty as they are today until much later.

4. Have the oceans always been as salty as they are now?

No, the oceans have not always been as salty as they are now. The salinity levels have fluctuated throughout Earth's history due to various factors such as changes in climate, sea levels, and geological processes. However, the oceans have been relatively stable in terms of salinity for the past few million years.

5. Could the oceans ever become fresh-water again?

It is highly unlikely that the oceans will ever become fresh-water again. The process of salt accumulation is ongoing and it would take millions of years for the oceans to become significantly less salty. Additionally, human activities such as pollution and climate change are also contributing to the increasing salinity of the oceans.

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