How is the universe exactly 13.7 billion years old, in absence of absolute time?

In summary: The only objects we know of for sure that are close enough to being comoving to be affected significantly by the CMBR are the MBR detectors on Earth, which are only affected by a small amount.In summary, the distribution of mass in the universe is not even, leading to a variation in the passage of time according to gravity. This means that time may pass at different rates in different places. The estimated age of the universe, 13.7 billion years, is based on the assumption that the expansion has been constant since the Big Bang and is only applicable to a specific class of observers known as "comoving" observers. Other observers will measure different times, and the proper distance between comoving observers does increase as the universe
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mitrasoumya
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Distribution of mass across the universe is not even. Therefore, passage of time should vary according to gravity. Which means at places time will pass at a higher pace or a lower pace than in respect of other places. Then, how is the entire Universe exactly 13.7 billion years old?
 
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First, 13.7 isn't an exact number. It is a best fit to a model which is only valid at scales where the universe is homogenous.

Second, the same thing can be said of a human whose head spends, on average, more time at a higher gravitational potential than their feet.
 
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The universe isn't exactly 13.7 billions as said above , we get that under the crude assumption that the expansion has been fairly constant since the BB , which it has not ( if I recall correctly this value is calculated by simply finding out the inverse of the Hubble's time , whose value varies).
 
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mitrasoumya said:
Distribution of mass across the universe is not even. Therefore, passage of time should vary according to gravity. Which means at places time will pass at a higher pace or a lower pace than in respect of other places. Then, how is the entire Universe exactly 13.7 billion years old?

The 13.7 billion year number (which, as DaleSpam points out, is only approximate anyway) does not apply to "the entire Universe". It is an estimate of the proper time experienced by "comoving" observers (observers who see the universe as homogeneous and isotropic at all times) since the Big Bang. Observers who see non-homogeneous or non-isotropic matter distributions will have experienced a different amount of proper time since the Big Bang; in other words, the passage of time *does* "vary according to gravity".
 
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Although 13.7 Gy is almost universally quoted, the current best value is 13.75. See Wikipedia if you don't believe me! :-p
 
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Reiterating PeterDonis' point, 13.7 billion years is the time since the singularity in the rest frame of a special class of "comoving" observers. Comoving observers use coordinates which "factor out" cosmological expansion so that galaxies participating in the expansion are always at the same distance. Other observers measure different times. However, since the CMB is at its minimum energy in the comoving frame, a body moving with respect to a comoving observer will tend to come to rest, in a similar way to how a body moving through the ocean will tend to come to rest with respect to the water.
 
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Adam Lewis said:
Comoving observers use coordinates which "factor out" cosmological expansion so that galaxies participating in the expansion are always at the same distance.

This is not correct, at least not with the usual interpretation of the term "distance" as "proper distance". The proper distance between comoving observers does increase as the universe expands. The comoving observers stay at constant *spatial coordinates* in the standard FRW chart, meaning that they stay at the same "coordinate distance" from each other, but that's not the same as staying at the same proper distance from each other. The proper distance involves the metric, not just the coordinates, and the metric changes with time.

Adam Lewis said:
However, since the CMB is at its minimum energy in the comoving frame, a body moving with respect to a comoving observer will tend to come to rest, in a similar way to how a body moving through the ocean will tend to come to rest with respect to the water.

This is true, but it's a *very* small effect. The radiation pressure of the CMBR has no observable effect on the motion of any of the objects we can see, and certainly most of those are not on "comoving" worldlines.
 

Related to How is the universe exactly 13.7 billion years old, in absence of absolute time?

1. How do scientists determine the age of the universe?

Scientists determine the age of the universe through various methods, such as studying the cosmic microwave background radiation, the expansion rate of the universe, and the abundance of elements in the universe. These methods have been refined over time and have led to the current estimate of 13.7 billion years.

2. Why is the age of the universe measured in billions of years?

The age of the universe is measured in billions of years because it is an incredibly large span of time that allows us to accurately measure the age of the universe. It also aligns with the current scientific understanding of the universe's history and development.

3. How is the age of the universe related to the concept of absolute time?

The age of the universe is not directly related to the concept of absolute time. Absolute time is a theoretical concept that suggests time exists independently and does not vary based on the observer or their reference frame. However, the age of the universe is based on observations and measurements that are relative to our understanding of time and the universe's development.

4. Is there any evidence to support the age of the universe being 13.7 billion years old?

Yes, there is a vast amount of evidence that supports the age of the universe being 13.7 billion years old. This includes observations of the cosmic microwave background radiation, the expansion rate of the universe, and the abundance of elements in the universe. Additionally, multiple independent studies have arrived at similar estimates for the age of the universe, providing further evidence for its accuracy.

5. Could the age of the universe change in the future as our understanding of time and the universe improves?

As our understanding of time and the universe improves, it is possible that the age of the universe may change. However, the current estimate of 13.7 billion years is supported by a vast amount of evidence and has been refined over time. Any future changes to this estimate would likely be minor and based on new evidence or advancements in technology, rather than a complete overhaul of our understanding of the universe's age.

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