How does the velocity of a mass spun around a pencil change?

In summary, the conversation discusses the contradiction between the conservation of angular momentum in a spinning mass attached to a string wrapped around a pencil, and the tension exerted on the mass. The tension, being perpendicular to the mass's velocity, should not affect its speed, but when considering the thickness of the pencil, the tension may do negative work and decrease the speed of the mass. The discussion also raises questions about which point the angular momentum is conserved in relation to, given that the mass is following a spiral path.
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Suppose a mass ##m## is attached to the end of a string whose other end is attached to a cylindrical pencil. The mass is then spun around the pencil in a circle (whose centre coincides with the centre of the pencil) such that the string wraps around the outer surface of the pencil, thereby decreasing the distance ##r## between the mass and the pencil.

By the conservation of angular momentum ##L##, as ##r## decreases, the speed ##v## of the pencil increases. (##L = rmv##) However, the tension exerted on the mass is always perpendicular to its velocity and hence to its displacement. Thus, the tension does no work and should not change the speed of the mass. We have a contradiction.

If we consider the thickness of the pencil, and so more accurately say that the tension is not exactly directed towards the centre of the pencil, but rather it is directed at a point a distance ##a## away from the centre of the pencil, where ##a## is the radius of the pencil. Then for the string to be wrapped around the pencil, the string would have be directed a little "backwards" with respect to the velocity of the mass (instead of being perpendicular). In this case, the tension would be doing negative work, decreasing the speed of the mass. Again, we have a contradiction.
 
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But the mass isn't following a perfectly circular path, it's on a spiral path...
 
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What angular momentum is conserved? In respect to what point?
 

Related to How does the velocity of a mass spun around a pencil change?

1. How does the velocity of a mass spun around a pencil change?

The velocity of a mass spun around a pencil changes due to the conservation of angular momentum. As the mass is spun around the pencil, it experiences centripetal force, which causes it to move in a circular path. The velocity of the mass is constantly changing as it moves around the circle, but the magnitude of its angular momentum remains constant.

2. What factors affect the velocity of a mass spun around a pencil?

The velocity of a mass spun around a pencil is affected by the mass of the object, the length of the pencil, and the speed at which it is spun. A heavier object will require more force to maintain the same velocity as a lighter object, while a longer pencil will allow for greater velocity due to its larger circular path.

3. How does the length of the pencil affect the velocity of the mass?

The length of the pencil affects the velocity of the mass by changing the distance traveled in each rotation. A longer pencil will allow for a larger circular path, which means the mass can travel a greater distance in each rotation. This results in a higher velocity for the mass.

4. Why does the velocity of a mass spun around a pencil decrease over time?

The velocity of a mass spun around a pencil decreases over time due to the effects of friction and air resistance. As the mass moves through the air, it experiences resistance which slows it down. Additionally, the contact between the pencil and the surface it is spinning on can also cause friction and decrease the velocity of the mass.

5. Can the velocity of a mass spun around a pencil ever reach 0?

Technically, the velocity of a mass spun around a pencil can reach 0 if there is enough friction or air resistance to completely stop its motion. However, in ideal conditions, the velocity of the mass will never reach 0 due to the conservation of angular momentum. The mass will continue to spin at a constant velocity unless acted upon by an external force.

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