Hoaxes are essential to establish a baseline of believability

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In summary: So even if science is a hoax, it's a pretty darn good one.In summary, the conversation discusses the role of hoaxes in establishing credibility and the possibility of a hoax surpassing our ability to reason. The idea is that for any claim, the evidence must be more convincing than the possibility of a hoax. However, this argument presents a false dichotomy and does not account for honest misidentification. Additionally, the concept of a hoax encompassing our understanding of existence is highly abstract and lacks merit. Ultimately, science provides real results and a means for understanding our world, making the discussion of a potential hoax somewhat irrelevant.
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You've all seen the many YouTube videos claiming to be of some type of alien craft. The video editing techniques used in those videos are rather convincing to the eye.

But at what point does the technology behind any given hoax supplant our power to reason? If the technology is superior enough, would not science itself prove to be a hoax?

In order to believe in the reality of ET's, all that would be needed is a science of hoaxing that ultimately, and slowly, encroaches upon the very same thinking processes that we use to arrive at our scientific methods, analysis, and conclusions.

There never needs to be a real ET. Historically and culturally embedded axiomatic intrusion will suffice!
 
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I'm thinking there are two ideas here:
  1. Your post subject: hoaxes are useful for establishing a baseline for credibility
  2. Your post content: A sufficiently elaborate hoax has no interpretive boundaries

Your presentation of the ideas is a bit confusing, but let me see if I can capture them here.

Hoaxes are useful for establishing a baseline for credibility
I took this to mean that for any given "ET" claim, the evidence must be at least as good as the ability to fake that evidence. I agree with this. Given only two options, the the least likely explanation (ET visitation) must have evidence of sufficient veracity as to make the opposing explanation (hoax) impossible.

Therefore, however convincing a hoax may be, the real thing must be even more convincing.

Unfortunately, this presents us with a false dichotomy: either it is a hoax, or it is real. In actuality, a third option is much more prevalent: honest misidentification. So, while i agree with the thinking here, the conclusion is a little flimsy.​

Any sufficiently elaborate hoax could have no boundaries for interpretation
This one is harder for me to buy into. You're essentially arguing that it would be possible to hoax any part of our understanding of existence. This is a REALLY abstract idea. Given that the only means by which we have to measure our existence is science, and your proposition is that science could be a hoax of understanding, we're left with no tools to create the hoax, and no tools with which to identify the hoax. A hopeless situation.

As an idea, it has almost no merit. Sorry. There are no ways to design an experiment to test the validity of science that isn't already a scientific experiment. In fact, science is constantly questioning itself, so in a way it's always trying to debunk itself as if it were a hoax. So if you start with the supposition that the efforts them selves are hopeless, then there's not much point in a discussion.

Fortunately, hoax or not, science gives us real results: better medicine, new technology, and a means by which to better understand our place in the universe.​
 

What is a hoax?

A hoax is a deliberately fabricated or misleading story or piece of information, often spread through traditional media or social media, with the intention of deceiving the public.

Why are hoaxes considered essential?

Hoaxes are considered essential because they help establish a baseline of believability. They test the critical thinking skills of the public and can help identify and expose vulnerabilities in our understanding and perception of the world.

How do hoaxes affect society?

Hoaxes can have a significant impact on society by causing confusion, fear, and mistrust. They can also lead to the spread of misinformation and have negative consequences on individuals, organizations, and communities.

What are some examples of hoaxes?

Some famous examples of hoaxes include the Piltdown Man, the War of the Worlds broadcast, and the Loch Ness Monster. In recent years, hoaxes have also become prevalent on social media, such as the Momo challenge and fake news stories.

How can we protect ourselves from falling for hoaxes?

To protect ourselves from hoaxes, it is essential to practice critical thinking and fact-checking before believing and sharing information. We should also be aware of our biases and be open to considering different perspectives. It is also helpful to follow trusted sources and be cautious of information from unknown or unreliable sources.

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