Gravitational Time and Length Change, Looking for mass formula

In summary, there is no formula for mass changing in a gravitational field. While there are formulas for gravitational time dilation and length contraction, they do not apply to the mass of an object. The Planck time and Planck length are not the same as the length of an object or its proper time, so they cannot be used to determine the change in mass in a gravitational field.
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mcjosep
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Hi, Just curious if anyone knows of a formula that would show how mass changes in a gravitational field? I have seen the formulas for gravitational time dilation and length contraction (which are rather similar) and was wondering is mass changes the same way.

Thanks
 
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Mass does not change in a gravitational field.
 
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mcjosep said:
I have seen the formulas for gravitational time dilation and length contraction (which are rather similar)

What formulas have you seen for "gravitational length contraction"?
 
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Just to pick an extreme, a 1kg ball is a meter away from the event horizon of a black hole. So, to an outside observer, time is almost not moving at all for the 1 kg ball and its size has shrunk to almost a point due to gravitational length and time dilation but the ball would still be 1 kg?
 
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PeterDonis said:
What formulas have you seen for "gravitational length contraction"?

hmm i just figured since Planck time and Planck length are related by a factor of c that they would change the same.
 
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mcjosep said:
its size has shrunk to almost a point due to gravitational length

What are you basing this on? What formula? Do you have a reference?

mcjosep said:
i just figured since Planck time and Planck length are related by a factor of c that they would change the same.

The Planck time and Planck length are not the same as the length of an object or its proper time.
 

Related to Gravitational Time and Length Change, Looking for mass formula

1. How does mass affect gravitational time and length change?

The more massive an object is, the greater its gravitational pull, which results in a greater time and length change. This is known as gravitational time dilation and length contraction.

2. What is the formula for calculating gravitational time and length change?

The formula for gravitational time dilation is t' = t * √(1 - (2GM/rc²)), where t' is the time measured by an observer in a stronger gravitational field, t is the time measured by an observer in a weaker gravitational field, G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the object, r is the distance from the center of the object, and c is the speed of light.

The formula for length contraction is L' = L * √(1 - (2GM/rc²)), where L' is the length measured by an observer in a stronger gravitational field, L is the length measured by an observer in a weaker gravitational field, G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the object, r is the distance from the center of the object, and c is the speed of light.

3. How does gravitational time and length change affect space travel?

Gravitational time and length change can have a significant impact on space travel, especially for objects traveling at high speeds or near massive objects. It can cause time to pass differently for astronauts on a spaceship compared to people on Earth, and it can also cause objects to appear shorter or longer depending on their speed and location.

4. Is gravitational time and length change the same as time travel?

No, gravitational time and length change is not the same as time travel. Time travel refers to the hypothetical concept of traveling to the past or future, while gravitational time and length change refers to the observable effects of gravity on time and length.

5. Can gravitational time and length change be observed in everyday life?

Yes, gravitational time and length change can be observed in everyday life. For example, the Global Positioning System (GPS) must account for gravitational time dilation in order to accurately measure time and location. Additionally, gravitational time and length change can also be observed in experiments involving atomic clocks and high-speed particles.

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