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Yeah I know thermodynamics says it's a scientific impossibility, but what is the closes inventors have come to a free energy device? Or what is the best energy producing system out there for its size[?]
Originally posted by Quasaire
Yeah I know thermodynamics says it's a scientific impossibility, but what is the closes inventors have come to a free energy device? Or what is the best energy producing system out there for its size[?]
Originally posted by quantum
Scientific impossibility? I think not... You see, with our modern understanding of thermodynamics, it is impossible, but out understanding of thermodynamics is slowly changing and I hope that in the future, a device that produces energy without using any just may be possible...
Both of you are precisely wrong.Originally posted by Johnathan ...(all of you) I hate that they call them the "Laws" of thermodynamics when time and time again they are proved to be merely widely acceptable rules of thumb.
i agree to disagree.Originally posted by russ_watters
Both of you are precisely wrong.
Originally posted by Bunting
i agree to disagree.
i agree, there both wrong. Simply thinking about it shoudl make you realize you can't turn nothing into something.
0 * 10 = 0
0 * Infinity = 0
it just can't be done.
however i disagree in the way that so called "laws" cannot be called so called laws until there conpletele researched. for example until quantum theory came along there was a hell of a lot more doubt as to whether certain things could be done, they went from an impossibility to a possibility but inproblalbility, and who knows, one day they may become real, but i don't think its fair to frame a rule until all other possibilitys have been reasearched (which culd take hundreds of years!)
but you can't make something from nothing :) you may be able to make a lot from very little, but something from nothing ? no. all energy sources have there limit :)
so say you have something :)
0.00000001 * 10 = 0.0000001
0.00000001 * 100x10^18 = ALOT
you just need a good source of enbergy to get a good thing going, but you can't have it going forever :)
AKA: pseudoscientific fallacy #1.Originally posted by Integral
Why is that all pseudo scientist start by claiming that all we now know is wrong and just around the corner it will change.
Pretty much, yeah. There is a way to summarize the 3 laws of thermodynamics like this:i.e. you can't get something from nothing ?
A free energy device is a hypothetical device that is capable of generating energy without consuming any fuel or resources. It would essentially create energy out of nothing, which violates the laws of thermodynamics.
The exact mechanism by which a free energy device would work is unknown as it has not been successfully invented or proven to exist. However, proponents of the concept suggest that it would involve tapping into the energy of the universe or utilizing perpetual motion.
There have been many individuals and companies who have claimed to have invented a free energy device, but none have been scientifically proven to actually work. Some notable names include Nikola Tesla, John Searl, and Steorn.
The concept of a free energy device goes against the laws of thermodynamics, which are fundamental principles of physics. Many scientists believe that it is impossible to create a device that can generate energy without consuming any resources.
There is currently no scientific evidence to support the existence of a working free energy device. Many claims and demonstrations have been debunked as hoaxes or misunderstandings of basic physics principles. Until a device is proven to work through rigorous scientific testing, it remains a theoretical concept.