Flat Donut Universes & Special Relativity

In summary, the conversation discusses a hypothetical universe that is small and flat, but connected like a torus. The space in this universe is represented by ##(\mathbb{R} \pmod{1})^3##. The question raised is whether this universe has a special inertial frame where the loop-around-distance is maximized due to the lack of length contraction. It is mentioned that this question is not about reality, but rather about how the Lorentz transform behaves in unusual situations. The answer to the question is yes, as discussed in a previous thread where the main focus was on the twin paradox in a closed universe.
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Suppose there was a universe that was small, and flat, but globally it was connected like a torus. Basically, pac-man's universe (except special relativity is in effect). The space ##(\mathbb{R} \pmod{1})^3##.

Does this assumed universe have a distinguished inertial frame where the loop-around-distance is maximized (due to not being length-contracted)? For example, if you pushed a small ball away from yourself along the x axis, can the amount of time until it smacks into your back depend on your velocity w.r.t. some frame? Or are the differences canceled out by time dilation? What if there was a clock on the ball?

(Obviously this question is about how the Lorentz transform behaves in unusual situations, not about how reality actually is.)
 
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Strilanc said:
Does this assumed universe have a distinguished inertial frame where the loop-around-distance is maximized (due to not being length-contracted)?
The short answer is yes.

We had a thread quite some time ago where we talked about this, but the thread is of rather poor quality due to some persistent off topic posts by one particular now-banned user. But here it is anyway: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/twin-paradox-in-a-closed-universe.375432/
 
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Thanks, that answers my questions. I particularly liked the "only one frame's present lines up with itself, instead of making candy-cane strips across spacetime" for making it seem kinda obvious in hindsight.

(I also like how that thread links to another thread that links to another thread and so on for a decade.)
 

Related to Flat Donut Universes & Special Relativity

1. What is a flat donut universe?

A flat donut universe, also known as a toroidal universe, is a theoretical concept of the universe in the shape of a flat donut or a torus. It is a 3-dimensional shape with a hole in the middle, similar to a donut, and has no curvature.

2. How does special relativity relate to flat donut universes?

Special relativity is a theory developed by Albert Einstein that explains the relationship between space and time. It states that the laws of physics are the same for all observers in uniform motion. In a flat donut universe, the laws of physics are also the same regardless of an observer's position or motion, making it compatible with special relativity.

3. Can we prove the existence of a flat donut universe?

Currently, there is no evidence to support the existence of a flat donut universe. It is a theoretical concept that is still being studied and researched by scientists. However, some theories, such as cosmic inflation, suggest that the universe may have a donut-like shape.

4. How does the shape of a flat donut universe affect the expansion of the universe?

The shape of a flat donut universe does not affect the expansion of the universe. According to the theory of general relativity, the expansion of the universe is determined by the amount of matter and energy in the universe, not its shape. Therefore, a flat donut universe would expand at the same rate as a flat or curved universe.

5. Are there any other theories about the shape of the universe besides a flat donut universe?

Yes, there are several other theories about the shape of the universe, including a flat, spherical, or hyperbolic shape. Some theories even suggest that the universe may have a more complex shape, such as a multi-connected universe or a fractal shape. However, the true shape of the universe is still a topic of debate and further research.

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