Explaining Pressure: Boiling & Melting Point Changes

In summary, at increased pressures, the equilibrium between water and ice shifts to the side of the lower pressure side, which relieves the pressure.
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So at increased pressure (increased atmospheric), the boiling point of water Increases because the atmospheric pressure goes up.

But at increased pressures, the melting point of a substance decreases!
The explanation i'v seen is that it is due to le chatlier's principle.

Ice is less dense than water is, so it has a greater volume.

At increased pressures, the equilibrium between water and ice will shift to relieve the pressure and move in the direction of the lower pressure side. Now because ice is less dense than water it will have a greater volume and thus a greater pressure. So, the equilibrium will shift to the water side to relieve the increased pressure.

What I'm having trouble with is understanding why greater volume equates to greater pressure.
If we had a container of 10L of inert gas and then 1kg of water, and the container was sealed. There would be some pressure exerted by the inert gas. And the more "space" the water takes up, the greater the pressure will be. Intuitively this makes sense. And by the ideal gas law it makes sense as well (PV = nRT). If ice takes up more space, then the Volume will be lower. So pressure should be greater.

But that's describing the pressure of the other gas. The solid ice itself doesn't really exert pressure. What pressure are they talking about when they say "to relieve the pressure the equilibrium shifts to the side of the lower pressure side).
 
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Hereformore said:
But that's describing the pressure of the other gas. The solid ice itself doesn't really exert pressure. What pressure are they talking about when they say "to relieve the pressure the equilibrium shifts to the side of the lower pressure side).
While the water in the container does not exert direct pressure on the walls of the container, the volume of water is directly related to the pressure inside the container. It is this overall pressure that is important.

You could also see it as the water exerting a pressure on the gas, the same way a piston would. Or imagine a container with two chambers, and a movable wall between the two. One chamber contains a gas, and the other only water. Think of what happens if the pressure of the gas is increased.
 
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DrClaude said:
While the water in the container does not exert direct pressure on the walls of the container, the volume of water is directly related to the pressure inside the container. It is this overall pressure that is important.

You could also see it as the water exerting a pressure on the gas, the same way a piston would. Or imagine a container with two chambers, and a movable wall between the two. One chamber contains a gas, and the other only water. Think of what happens if the pressure of the gas is increased.
Ah I see. That makes sense. And in both cases/ways we consider it, to relieve the pressure, the reaction moves in the other direction.

I think picturing the reaction in an enclosed/closed space helps picture it the most. Thanks!
 

Related to Explaining Pressure: Boiling & Melting Point Changes

1. What causes changes in boiling and melting points?

The boiling and melting points of a substance are determined by its intermolecular forces, which are the attractive forces between molecules. Stronger intermolecular forces require more energy to be overcome, resulting in higher boiling and melting points. The type and strength of intermolecular forces can be affected by factors such as molecular size, polarity, and hydrogen bonding.

2. How does pressure affect boiling and melting points?

As pressure increases, the boiling and melting points of a substance also increase. This is because pressure compresses the molecules, making it more difficult for them to escape from the liquid or solid phase. Higher pressure also increases the density of a substance, which can strengthen intermolecular forces and raise the boiling and melting points.

3. Why do substances have different boiling and melting points?

The intermolecular forces of a substance are determined by its molecular structure and composition. Different substances have different types and strengths of intermolecular forces, resulting in variations in boiling and melting points. For example, substances with stronger intermolecular forces, such as ionic compounds, tend to have higher boiling and melting points compared to substances with weaker intermolecular forces, such as nonpolar molecules.

4. How do impurities affect boiling and melting points?

Impurities can disrupt the regular arrangement of molecules in a substance, making it more difficult for them to overcome intermolecular forces and change phases. This results in a higher boiling point and a lower melting point compared to a pure substance. The effect of impurities on boiling and melting points is known as the colligative properties of solutions.

5. What is the difference between boiling and melting points?

Boiling point is the temperature at which a substance changes from a liquid to a gas, while melting point is the temperature at which a substance changes from a solid to a liquid. Boiling points are generally higher than melting points, as it takes more energy to break intermolecular forces and change phases from a liquid to a gas compared to a solid to a liquid.

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