Equation of motion: Help with DiffEq (2nd order non linear)

In summary: Eventually the mobile charge crashes into the fixed charge, and x'' goes to infinity.In summary, the conversation discusses the attempt to solve the differential equation for the equation of motion of a point charge under the influence of another point charge's electric field. The two point charges, A and B, have opposite charges and will attract each other. The equation of motion is derived using the force equation and the initial conditions are given. However, a simple solution cannot be found and the conversation ends with a discussion of the behavior of the mobile charge as it falls towards the fixed charge.
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Adoniram
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I am trying to solve the differential equation that will give me the equation of motion of a point charge under the influence of another point charge's electric field.

Say point charge A is free to move, and it currently a distance D away from point charge B. Point charge B is fixed in space.

Say charge A has q = +q, and charge B has q = -q. The two charges will attract.

Ignoring all other influences (gravity, etc), charge A should experience a force F = qE, where E is the field due to charge B, or:
F = -(k q^2)/r^2
where k = 1/4πε (imagine that ε is the permittivity of free space; I'm using the available symbols)

Solving for equations of motion, I use:
ma = -(k q^2)/r^2

or
a = -(k q^2)/(m r^2)

Putting it another way, r → r[t], a → r''[t]
Then I get:
r[t]2 r''[t] = -(k q^2)/m

Or
r[t]2 r''[t] = C

How do I solve that differential equation? It is a 2nd order non-linear diff eq... The Mathematica answer I get is very complicated, but I'm hoping someone can help me out with this one.

Also, I can use the following initial conditions:
r[0]=D
r'[0]=0

Thanks!
 
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Adoniram said:
I am trying to solve the differential equation that will give me the equation of motion of a point charge under the influence of another point charge's electric field.

Say point charge A is free to move, and it currently a distance D away from point charge B. Point charge B is fixed in space.

Say charge A has q = +q, and charge B has q = -q. The two charges will attract.

Ignoring all other influences (gravity, etc), charge A should experience a force F = qE, where E is the field due to charge B, or:
F = -(k q^2)/r^2
where k = 1/4πε (imagine that ε is the permittivity of free space; I'm using the available symbols)

Solving for equations of motion, I use:
ma = -(k q^2)/r^2

or
a = -(k q^2)/(m r^2)

Putting it another way, r → r[t], a → r''[t]
Then I get:
r[t]2 r''[t] = -(k q^2)/m

Or
r[t]2 r''[t] = C

How do I solve that differential equation? It is a 2nd order non-linear diff eq... The Mathematica answer I get is very complicated, but I'm hoping someone can help me out with this one.

Also, I can use the following initial conditions:
r[0]=D
r'[0]=0

Thanks!

You can do it in three stages:

1) First, multiply by ##r'## (integrating factor) to get:

##\frac{d}{dt}(r'^2) = \frac{d}{dt}(\frac{-2C}{r})##

2) (The key trick): Let ##r = Dcos^2\theta##

This leads to:

##(cos^2\theta)\theta ' = \sqrt{\frac{-C}{2D^3}}##

3) Integrate to get:

##2\theta + sin(2\theta) = \sqrt{\frac{-8C}{D^3}}t##
 
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So no simple solution. I typed x'' = -1/x^2 here and it came back with this picture:

http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP12181g1a4ceci2e2i16500005a8e262bb5i0g8e3?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=10&w=388.&h=101.
Got the same picture doing a simple numeric integration with excel:

upload_2015-8-20_22-29-40.png


(x on the left axis, v and a on the right axis)Basically the mobile charge just "falls" towards the fixed charge in the same way a small mass falls towards a planet: initially slowly (the change in attractive force is small) and then accelerating faster and faster.
 
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1. What is an equation of motion?

An equation of motion is a mathematical representation of the physical laws that govern the motion of an object. It describes the relationship between an object's position, velocity, acceleration, and time.

2. What is a differential equation?

A differential equation is an equation that relates a function to its derivatives, which represent the rate of change of the function. It is commonly used to model dynamic systems in physics and engineering.

3. What is a second order non-linear differential equation?

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