Empirical proof of a conjecture

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of using empirical methods, such as observation and calculation, to prove a conjecture. This method involves comparing the error between two sums and determining if it is within a certain range. However, this is not a formal proof and there are potential counterexamples that could disprove the conjecture.
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mhill
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can a conjecture be proved by 'empirical' means (observation) ??

i mean let us suppose that exists some functions named [tex] f_{i} (x) [/tex]

so [tex] \sum _{n=0}^{\infty} = \sum _{p} f(p) [/tex]

then an 'empirical' method would be to calculate the 2 sums and compare the error , let us suppose that the error made in the equation above is less or equal than 0.001

so [tex] |\sum _{n=0}^{\infty} - \sum _{p} f(p)| \le 0.001 [/tex]

then , would this be simple coincidence or a fact that our conjecture is true ? , for example physicist and chemists work this way , as an approximation of a theory to our observed reality.
 
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It would help if your statements could be clarified. Your first sum is n=, but there is nothing being summed. Your second sum is for a function over p, without anything said about what p is.
 
  • #3
Uh.. excuse me , the sum on the left is made over f(n) , the sum on the right is over all 'primes' p

[tex] \sum _{n=0}^{\infty}f(n) = \sum _{p} f(p) [/tex]
 
  • #4
of course it is not a proof, it can give an indication that the theorem might be true and give you a reason to find a formal proof.

for example
the difference of the partial sums might eventually be smaller than some epsilon, but it might also always be larger than some lower bound

some ideas seem very plausible but might have very pathological counterexamples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disproved_mathematical_ideas
 

Related to Empirical proof of a conjecture

1. What is empirical proof?

Empirical proof is evidence that is based on observations or experiments. It is used to support or refute a hypothesis or conjecture.

2. How is empirical proof different from mathematical proof?

While mathematical proof is based on logical reasoning and axioms, empirical proof relies on real-world data and observations. It is often used in scientific research to validate or disprove a theory or conjecture.

3. What is a conjecture?

A conjecture is a statement or proposition that is believed to be true, but has not yet been proven. It is based on observations or intuition, and may be supported by some evidence or reasoning.

4. How is a conjecture proven?

A conjecture can be proven through empirical proof, which involves collecting and analyzing data or conducting experiments to support or refute the statement. Alternatively, a conjecture may also be proven through mathematical proof using logical reasoning and established principles.

5. Can empirical proof be considered definitive?

Empirical proof can provide strong evidence for or against a conjecture, but it is not always definitive. New evidence or data may arise in the future that could change the understanding of the conjecture. Therefore, it is important to continue testing and refining conjectures to gain a more complete understanding.

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