EM Force vs. Gravity: Modeling Spatio-Temporal Curvature

In summary, the electromagnetic force cannot be modeled on spatio-temporal curvature like gravity because it does not obey the equivalence principle. Unlike gravity, which acts on the mass-to-mass ratio of objects, the EM force acts on the charge-to-mass ratio, causing objects with different charges to experience different effects. This is due to the fact that gravity obeys the equivalence principle, while the EM force does not. Additionally, while Kaluza-Klein theory does provide a way to model electromagnetism with curvature, it is not in the spatio-temporal dimensions and therefore not directly applicable to the question at hand.
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Why is it that the EM force can't be modeled on spatio-temporal curvature the way gravity can be?
 
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Because the EM force does not obey the equivalence principle. For example, suppose you have three objects, one with a charge of +1, one with a charge of zero, and one with a charge of -1. You start them all off at rest relative to each other at the same point in space in the same EM field. Because of their different charges--or more precisely, their different charge to mass ratios--they will not stay together.

In the case of gravity, by contrast, all three objects would stay together (we start them at the same point in space so tidal gravity won't separate them). Heuristically, this is because gravity acts on the "mass to mass ratio", not the charge to mass ratio, and the mass to mass ratio is the same for all objects. (Usually this is described as inertial mass being the same as gravitational mass.) But observationally, the key fact is that gravity obeys the equivalence principle, whereas the EM force does not.
 
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Thank you, thank, thank you. That made perfect sense to me. I'm scared to ask questions on this forum because people can be so mean. I really appreciate that you took the time to break it down for me. This encourages me to ask more questions in the future.
 
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Ontophobe said:
Why is it that the EM force can't be modeled on spatio-temporal curvature the way gravity can be?

Yes, it can! See Kaluza-Klein theory.
 
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haael said:
See Kaluza-Klein theory.

The curvature that models electromagnetism in Kaluza-Klein theory is not spatio-temporal; it's in a dimension other than the 4 spacetime dimensions. So it's not relevant to the OP's question.
 

Related to EM Force vs. Gravity: Modeling Spatio-Temporal Curvature

1. What is the difference between EM force and gravity?

The electromagnetic (EM) force is a fundamental force that describes the interaction between charged particles, while gravity is a force of attraction between objects with mass. EM force is much stronger than gravity, but it only affects particles with electric charge, while gravity affects all objects with mass.

2. How do EM force and gravity affect the curvature of space-time?

According to Einstein's theory of general relativity, both EM force and gravity can cause the curvature of space-time. However, the strength and nature of this curvature differ depending on the type of force. EM force can create electromagnetic fields, which contribute to the curvature of space-time, while gravity causes the bending of space-time due to the presence of massive objects.

3. Can we model the curvature of space-time caused by EM force and gravity?

Yes, scientists have developed mathematical models to describe the curvature of space-time caused by both EM force and gravity. These models use concepts such as tensors, which are mathematical objects that represent the curvature of space-time. By using these models, we can better understand the behavior of particles in the presence of these forces.

4. How does the curvature of space-time affect the motion of particles?

The curvature of space-time caused by EM force and gravity can affect the motion of particles in different ways. EM force can cause charged particles to move along the curvature of space-time, while gravity can cause massive objects to follow the curvature of space-time. This is why planets orbit around the sun in a curved path rather than a straight line.

5. Are there any practical applications of modeling the curvature of space-time?

Yes, understanding the curvature of space-time caused by EM force and gravity has many practical applications. For example, it is essential for predicting the behavior of astronomical objects, such as black holes and galaxies. It also plays a crucial role in the development of technologies like GPS, which rely on precise measurements of space-time curvature to function accurately.

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