Electromagnetism, flux density Vs. field size

In summary, when you have a coil without a soft magnetic material inside, the generated flux density is proportional to the current through the coil's winding. However, for coils with magnetic material, the core material can support a limited flux density only. Above the saturation point, the flux density is more or less proportional to current to the winding.
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semiotically
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With a set coil if you increase the electric flow does the flux density increase
And/or the magentic field decrease/ maintain/ increase in size..?

Thanks once again,

Sem.
 
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semiotically said:
With a set coil if you increase the electric flow does the flux density increase
And/or the magentic field decrease/ maintain/ increase in size..?

Thanks once again,

Sem.

You mean the magnetic flux through the middle of the coil (called a solenoid)? Yes, it increases if you increase the electric current through wire.

A lot of times the easiest way to see "what happens" is to take a process to a ridiculous proportion. For example, "what happens to magnetic flux if you decrease the electric field of a solenoid" can be answered by the question "what happens to the flux if you decrease the field all the way to 0, that is, turn off the electric field. Obviously the magnetic flux disappears. So yes, making your electric field get closer to 0 makes your magnetic flux get closer to 0 (this doesn't actually logically follow and a mathematician would want proof that the function relating the field to the flux is monotone increasing/decreasing and continuous for example but its good enough for some intuitive stuff).

So yeah, increasing the current increases the flux.
 
  • #3
DukeofDuke said:
You mean the magnetic flux through the middle of the coil (called a solenoid)? Yes, it increases if you increase the electric current through wire.

A lot of times the easiest way to see "what happens" is to take a process to a ridiculous proportion. For example, "what happens to magnetic flux if you decrease the electric field of a solenoid" can be answered by the question "what happens to the flux if you decrease the field all the way to 0, that is, turn off the electric field. Obviously the magnetic flux disappears. So yes, making your electric field get closer to 0 makes your magnetic flux get closer to 0 (this doesn't actually logically follow and a mathematician would want proof that the function relating the field to the flux is monotone increasing/decreasing and continuous for example but its good enough for some intuitive stuff).

So yeah, increasing the current increases the flux.

And how does this affect the field size?
Thanks
 
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which field, magnetic or electric?
The magnetic field goes up if the magnetic flux goes up...pretty much by definition
the electric field is present in the wire itself, and also goes up if the current goes up, again pretty trivially...
 
  • #5
I think the ideia is related to a natural tendency that systems show to couterbalence disturbances from equilibrium
 
  • #6
HI everyone,

I had a more definitive answer to the second half:

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Regarding Q2, when you have a coil without a soft magnetic material
(ferrite, steel, iron, etc) inside, the generated flux density B (or
magnetizing field H) is proportional to the current through the coil's
winding.

For coils with magnetic material, the core material can support a
limited flux density only (300...500 mT for ferrite, and 1.5..2T for
iron/steel). Up to the saturation point, the flux density is more or
less proportional to current to the winding. Above the saturation
level, the field does increase very slowly with increasing current.

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Though I still need any help on frequency-weighting and 'flat' gauss meters..?
 

Related to Electromagnetism, flux density Vs. field size

1. What is electromagnetism?

Electromagnetism is a branch of physics that deals with the study of the relationship between electricity and magnetism. It explains how electric currents create magnetic fields and how changing magnetic fields can induce electric currents.

2. What is flux density?

Flux density, also known as magnetic flux density or magnetic induction, is a measure of the strength of a magnetic field. It is measured in units of tesla (T) or gauss (G).

3. What is the difference between flux density and field size?

Flux density refers to the strength of the magnetic field at a specific point, while field size refers to the overall size or extent of the magnetic field. Flux density is a measure of the intensity of the field, while field size is a measure of the spatial distribution of the field.

4. How does flux density affect the strength of an electromagnet?

The strength of an electromagnet is directly proportional to the flux density of its magnetic field. This means that the higher the flux density, the stronger the electromagnet will be. Increasing the number of coils or using a stronger magnetic material can increase the flux density and thus the strength of the electromagnet.

5. How does field size affect the behavior of magnetic materials?

The behavior of magnetic materials, such as iron or steel, is affected by the size of the magnetic field they are exposed to. Larger field sizes can cause these materials to become more strongly magnetized, while smaller field sizes may result in a weaker magnetic response. Additionally, the shape and orientation of the field can also impact the behavior of magnetic materials.

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